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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:41 pm

albertj wrote:
The issues are probably a contributing factor into why the car has such low miles. Wonder if Kyle has a service history on the car - that is, the receipts/description of prior work done on it. Might give us all some troubleshooting ideas.

I wonder how the foglights are wired?

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Yes I was wondering about what the previous owner did to it. Unfortunately I don't have a complete record, but from the looks of things the guy took good care of most of the stuff. The car did sit for awhile though, due to his death. I know the engine was well taken care of, one thing I did find was the receipts for the oil changes and it was changed every 3000 or so miles with new mobil one synthetic. I think it's just a combination of it sitting and me being a pain in the butt as far as little issues go. I'm extremely anal about my cars, so a lot of this stuff, minus the nonworking signal stalk and the battery drain would probably go unnoticed.

As far as the Duralast battery goes, it's actually made by the same company that makes the diehard batteries (ironically enough I have a diehard jump pack that's been getting a good workout). That's why I went with it to begin with. It was the cheapest of the batteries that were made by Johnson Controls
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* Johnson Controls makes Diehard (Sears), Duralast (AutoZone), Interstate, Kirkland (Costco), Motorcraft (Ford), and some EverStarts.
* Exide makes Champion, Exide, Napa, and some EverStart.
* Delphi makes ACDelco and some EverStart (Wal-Mart).



Breakdown of issues:

1.) Parasitic drain
2.) weak horn
3.) ABS and traction control inop (due to defective NEW wheel bearing hub assembly)
4.) Tire Vibration
5.) Windshield control inop
6.) failing AC clutch that makes a horrible noise unless AC in engaged
7.) in need of new struts desperately

Other than that the car purrs like a kitten. It really does drive like a car with 65,000 miles on it. Just these little electrical issues (which I knew would happen with this car anyway) have been driving me insane. I literally went from a buick where everything was controlled with cables, knobs and the occasional mechanical relay to the Riviera where around every trim piece is a computer or a wire of some sort. Still has fewer problems than my fathers '04 Suburban, and my grandfathers '99 Seville.

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:26 pm

Anyone have any idea if the BCM, PCM, or another computer that I don't know about is tied to this fuse? I talked to one guy who seems to think it may be a computer failing to go into sleep mode. frown

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:47 pm

I think your problem now (it's been ~8 hours) is that absent your follow through on the advice you got so far, folks are out of ideas.

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:03 pm

just a guess..but, maybe this battery doesnt have enough power to run everything the riv has? try a optima..

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:58 pm

The battery and alternator both checked out fine btw. Car starts right up as long as I routinely pull the ELC/IP fuse. I'm just now out of curiosity wondering what exactly is tied into that fuse. When I disconnect it, the doors won't lock, the keyless entry doesn't work, the electronic load control doesn't work, and the radio, climate control, and gauge cluster (gauges and odometer/trip) also don't function. So I can only imagine what else is tied into there but runs behind the scene.

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:15 pm

Here's an update:

Long story short, I brought the car to the dealer to get the parasitic drain fixed. I told them point blank, that it has to do with the IP/ELC fuse, and that it has NOTHING to do with any aftermarket wiring, and that it did it before I installed anything. Well needless to say, they never even checked that fuse, and did a general drain test. They told me that it was the cigarette lighter that I used for a powersource on some aftermarket equipment. I know there's a drain on that, but it's not enough of a drain to kill the battery. I told them that even with the IP/ELC fuse pulled the cigarette lighter remains powered, yet my battery doesn't drain. But if I keep the fuse in, it drains in 8 hours. I can't seem to get it through their thick heads that it's whatever system is fed off the IP/ELC fuse and NOT the aftermarket equipment. They seem dead set on that and won't budge. Yet they have the audacity to charge me $100 to tell me I have something plugged into my cigarette lighter. GAHHHHHH!!!!!!! headbutt headbutt headbutt headbutt headbutt headbutt

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:24 am

The point is you have to disconnect the aftermarket stuff in order to diagnose. When the diagnosis is done then teh aftermarket stuff can be reconnected. It is likely that you will learn things with the aftermarket stuff disconnected to prevent a parasitic drain when they are reconnected.

Look, nobody is getting thrills telling you to disconnect the stuff. It's just "been there done that" and experience shows that it's the first thing you have to do. It's really not about your stuff and your mods. It's about sharing wisdom with you that works.

So thanks for the update, and be advised that in order to get through troubleshooting you're going to have to disconnect the aftermarket electricals and see what happens. Let's assume that the drain is still there when you disconnect all the aftermarket stuff--according to what you're saying it should be. If that is the case, then he parasitic drain problem can be quickly found by referring to the wiring diagrams and using a current detector (ref my earlier post) to see what wire is running the drain. Then it can be fixed and most likely the aftermarket equipment connected.

By the way, you may want to connect accessories at one or another fuse panel rather than jumping off the factory accessory wiring. Just a thought. you may find that wiring your own fuse block directly to the battery wiring terminal points (on the passenger side frame rail) woudl work best and give you all the circuits you need. One way is with something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00062Z5VG

and another way is just to go to a junkyard and find a car with a simple fuse block - maybe an old Hyundai - pull that out and install it in the Riv somewhere in the engine compartment, under the dash, or under the rear seat if you still have room.

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:00 pm

Ended up being the power antenna and the electronic load control. I disconnected the antenna (I don't care about it anyway), and now I'm on the search for a new air compressor for the load control. Apparently the pump never shuts off. Is that a defective pump or more than likely a defective module?

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:05 pm

Most likely a leaky air shock!

You're telling us that through all this, you couldn't hear that pump running all the time?

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:17 pm

FYI, I had a leaky air shock once. I don't remember that it operated the pump with the car off. It eventually burned out the pump, but the near 10 year old stock battery never failed to start the car.

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PostSubject: Re: Parasitic Drain Issue. Any Advice?   Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:40 pm

You'll need to use a test light or voltmeter to check the air ride switch.

However - congratulations on finding the problem and you should be able to get the pump and switch assembly from Ed Morad

http://www.moradpartscompany.com/

I've bought parts from Ed, always been fine.

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