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Mr.Riviera Addict

Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:46 am | |
| i finally got all my parts together! here is what i have (everything is new, save for the calipers and knuckles): 2 KYB GR-2 struts from a '98 2 fbody dual piston aluminum calipers (fully rebuilt) set of morse brake pads 2 rotors (Chinese  ) 2 1997 front spindles with hub bearings 2 zzp 20.5 inch SS brake lines 3 bottles of DOT4 synthetic brake fluid 2 Moog strut top mounts 4 Moog spring insulators (2 top/2 bottom) 2 Moog strut bearings 4 Eibach ProLower STS springs (rear is already in) 2 camber bolts misc hardware (cc washers, bolts, etc) i will be reusing the strut bumps and dust cover. and the upper isolator (if it fits) hopefully i wont run into any problems or areas where things dont fit up. this is only the 3rd time, that i am aware of, someone has done a front end conversion on a 95/96 to newer 97+ stuff. if anyone needs anything off my old setup i'd be happy to part out  this setup is costing me over $1000 but it should be worth it to have new suspension on all 4 corners, and great brakes. here is a pic of all the stuff before it gets installed next Sunday! (29th)  i will be taking lots of picture along the way in case of a write-up. _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next  
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|  | | oldsman105 Enthusiast

Name: Enrique Patino Age: 24 Location: Queens, New York City Joined: 2007-01-24 Post Count: 739 Contribution: 1639 Integrity: 7
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:19 am | |
| Good luck! you will really enjoy the change in your ride. I did notice on thing the strut top mounts are they 97 or 98? because I think the 98 have a plastic tab on them and I think that won't work with the 96 as that whole for that tab is not there. I used 97 strut mounts. Also do you have the spindle to Caliper bracket bolts? _________________  2001 Bonneville SSEI. Engine: ZZP 3.2 MPS, Intense S1X Cam, PDM Ported SC, LS1 TB, PRJ wires, SS autochrome headers, ZZP UD WP, DHP Powertuner, 3.29 Gears, DIY Shift kit, Handling: GXP STB, ES endlinks, DTS Front brakes, GXP Rear brakes. |
|  | | Mr.Riviera Addict

Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:34 am | |
| i got 98 top mounts can i just cut the plastic tabs off? provided all the holes line up the same. and yes i have the caliper bracket bolts. _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next   |
|  | | Mr.Riviera Addict

Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:51 pm | |
| ok the white tabs pop out of the top mounts. now i just hope they line up to the holes on the strut housing. also i noticed the bump stops i was going to reuse are pretty bad looking and deteriorating from age. this may be a dumb question, but can i leave them out? and one final question, can i reuse the upper isolators from my 96 on the 98 top mounts? (the rubber piece that goes between the mount bearing and the upper spring seat.) i went to AZ and rented the spring compressor and a 33mm axle socket. (had to actually buy that b/c they only had 34/32mm to rent  ) anything i am leaving out or need to be prepared for? _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next   |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:07 pm | |
| I left my bumpers out by mistake, and it didn't seem to impact anything in 100k miles or so. The 34 mm socket would have worked. _________________  |
|  | | 99prixgt Apprentice

Name: Erik Age: 22 Location: NJ Joined: 2009-01-27 Post Count: 90 Contribution: 326 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:22 pm | |
| without the bump stops, if you hit a really bad bump in the road your wheel will bang into the upper part of the wheel well. I would say Get new bump stops! I had purchased a spring compressor from awful zone before and i returned it when i was finished with my install  _________________ Just your average GT?  |
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Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:32 am | |
| i am having major problem with this install. where to start... the 98 strut top mounts would not fit on the 96 body, so i installed the old 96 top mount since it seemed to fit. as soon as i got everything together and lowered the car i could see why it was not going to work. the rod or the strut was smaller than the 96 style so the rod protruded out the top marking up the hood. ok not a problem, i'll just drill out the top of the strut housing where the holes need to be. ok i got that done and got the 98 top mounts put on the 98 struts and it fixed that problem. however... i have absolutly no brake feel. the peddle goes straight to the floor AND my abs and trac light are now on. ok no prob ill do another bleed and take it from there. let em just get a trest drive in.... i take it out around the corner and imediatly notice the right bearing making a screeching noise. must be a bad hub from ed morad, even though it didnt have any play. i pull back into my garage and rebleed the brakes. still the same problem! no brake action. could i have let air into the abs pump making the light go on? my plan is to take it to the shop in the morn to get an allignment and a bleed from them. and if they have to tools i will have them see if i need a new hub. i know this is all just rambled out, but i'm tired and frustrated to hell with this right now. _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next   |
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Name: Timo Age: 23 Location: Estonia/Finland Joined: 2008-10-04 Post Count: 509 Contribution: 914 Integrity: 7
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Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:24 pm | |
| ok i got the brakes figured out. i didnt remember to swap the left and right side and they were not bleeding properly. got the struts back apart and dremeled out the isolator material that was interfering with the bearing so now the spring actually move separate from the strut. fixed some of the alignment issues so it is drivable. NOW...i still dont have ABS or traction. brakes work very well (extreamly please with the mod). i guess i need to see which hub is bad. (maybe both?) and one more issue has poped up: i noticed something is rubbing or knocking somewhere. i took a quick look and nothing looks rubed out. i dont know if it could possibly be the bad hub making the noise or something else. i do know it changes with speed, and is most noticalbe under light braking (too soft to hear under throttle or with windows up). from the sound of it it is like something on the outside of the tire making contact every revolution, but again i see no rubbing. any ideas?? _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next   |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:40 pm | |
| Check the hoses. Any contact with the tire? How tightly did the pads and rotors fit? Mine were so tight they rubbed for a day or so until everything situated. Describe the noise in more detail, and the frequency it occurs. Are the caliper bolts still tight? Is the nut at the top of each strut tightened down? _________________  |
|  | | Mr.Riviera Addict

Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:50 pm | |
| the hoses dont rub. i had to tie the driver side down. i striped one of the screws on the driver side top mount, but 5/6 should be ok untill i get a new one from lowes. pads and rotors were pretty tight. i have no problems stopping and the peddle feels good. i'll check the caliper bolts tomorrow and pull the wheels checking for marks in the sunlight. the noise is kind of like when you run over a nail and hear the click,click,click as the tire turns. but it's more of a knock than a click. and i dont have any nails. _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next   |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:25 pm | |
| Does the noise change when going over a speed bump or crack in the road? _________________  |
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Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:00 pm | |
| | Mr.Riviera wrote: | | i striped one of the screws on the driver side top mount, but 5/6 should be ok untill i get a new one from lowes. |
Which bolt, and what do you mean by 5/6?
Sounds like you are getting this figured out, if you are still having major issues post up some pics.
The clunking could be a number of things. Are you using new rotors? Used rotors could be pre-warped for you, or have a rust-patch on them that needs to scrub off..._________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:23 am | |
| rotors are new. i have 5 out of the 6 top mount bolts on the car. 3 on one side and 2 holding the passenger side off b/c i sheared the threads on one bolt and need a new one. _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next   |
|  | | Mr.Riviera Addict

Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: Re: 1996 to 1998 front end swap w/fbody brakes edit: done :) Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:39 pm | |
| ok, last update for now. i took the car through some twists back behind campus where i go all the time. before i would take the turns at an avg speed of 50-55 and it was fun keeping the car in the lane. now i am taking the same corners are 65+ and the car feels like it could go faster, but i'm scared to without abs to save me in case something happens. also the car actually accelerates in the turns where before it just kind of bogged down and stayed the same speed. and something kind of weird happen on my way back from class. i got out of the parking garage and the abs/trac light was off. not sure why, but i'm guessing there is an air bubble somewhere. it came back on at the next stop light. but i was able to manualy turn on/off trac and it was working. then when it came back on the brake pulsated a bit. i may try another brake bleed this sunday. _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next   |
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