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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:32 pm | |
| I took them straight down from behind the tail lamps. I think I tied them to the body with zip ties for strain relief. They hang down under the bumper and I push everything inside the front of the receiver when not in use. Put the plastic cap over it and you can't see anything. Here's a wiring diagram from the sequential tail lamps write-up. The top portion is OEM wiring, might help you out:  _________________  |
|  | | Rickw Addict
Name: Rick Location: Lancaster, MA Joined: 2008-09-13 Post Count: 2693 Contribution: 3721 Integrity: 30
 | Subject: temp Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:55 am | |
| from: http://rivperformance.editboard.com/everything-else-f9/you-might-race-a-buick-if-t6318.htm#90458| AA wrote: | | That's great stuff. My Riv makes a great tow vehicle. |
I have been somewhat apprehensive about installing a hitch and towing a utility trailer with the Riv because I'm afraid of what it might cost in regards to another trans rebuild.!!!
BTW, we broke a record this morning for the number of people on the site at one time. _________________ 98 Riv, 102K Miles, EBC, LS1 Ft.Calipers, STB, Addco Rr Sway Bar, 180* stat., SSAC Headers, HF Cat, 1.9's, 105# springs, MPS 3.4, DHP tuned by the Deekster.
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|  | | deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:50 am | |
| | Rickw wrote: | | AA wrote: | | That's great stuff. My Riv makes a great tow vehicle. |
I have been somewhat apprehensive about installing a hitch and towing a utility trailer with the Riv because I'm afraid of what it might cost in regards to another trans rebuild.!!!
BTW, we broke a record this morning for the number of people on the site at one time. |
lockup torque converter should keep the temps down. Just don't try to hold 85 with your trailer on! I am thinking about towing my dad's MG back from FL next spring with my Riv.
Also, I have a PT and can change the TCC lockup for more agressive towing mode - keep the converter locked up longer to hold temps down._________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
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Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:29 pm | |
| Yep, already have a big tranny cooler. I could also remove the S/C belt for the long tow. Hmm, wait, my S/C belt is already off!!! _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
|  | | deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:03 pm | |
| moved from: http://rivperformance.editboard.com/riviera-reviews-specs-f15/towing-capacity-t5543.htmAnyone know the towing capacity for a supercharged '98? And would you consider it increased with 3.29 gearing along with upgraded suspension and brake parts, plus a nice big transmission cooler?  Just looking for opinions. I'm thinking about a long trip with a trailer... _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
|  | | deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:12 pm | |
| Here's an interesting article... http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the-great-american-anti-towing-conspiracy/_________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:13 pm | |
| I've towed 2000 lb (including trailer) for 50 miles, no trans cooler. Biggest problem I had wasn't the transmission heating up, it was engine knock. May need to demod the engine a little for serious towing. _________________  |
|  | | ibmoses Addict

Name: Bert Location: North Alabama Joined: 2008-02-03 Post Count: 1486 Contribution: 4133 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:26 pm | |
| My biggest concern with towing would be the potential for liability in the event of an accident. I have heard(read about) horror stories about lawsuits involving pickup trucks and trailers. Please dont shoot the messenger Bert  _________________ 99 Riviera(on the left) "Cruising Missile" Midnight Blue Pearl 90,000 miles GuttedAirBox  70GS455(on the right) Diplomat Blue "Howitzer with windshield wipers" |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:22 pm | |
| ^^^ Which do you think will stop faster and handle better in a panic situation? A) 4000 lb Riviera with suspension & brake mods + 2000 lb trailer or B) 6000 lb SUV/truck + 3000 lb trailer _________________  |
|  | | deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:20 pm | |
| The trailer I am going to pull does have electric brakes, so that will certainly help on the stopping front, and although my load is a car, it's a very light car. The trip is very long, and my van gets 10-12 mpg, so I was thinking about taking the Riv as the load (from a HD standpoint) is pretty light. _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
|  | | ibmoses Addict

Name: Bert Location: North Alabama Joined: 2008-02-03 Post Count: 1486 Contribution: 4133 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:21 am | |
| My bringing up the potential for liability was not intended to be critical of the Riv's towing ability but to cause reflection on the aftermath of a serious accident involving any vehicle that is in the process of towing a trailer. In todays litigious society the Barristers and the Insurance company lackeys would point fingers and lay blame wherever possible. Bert  _________________ 99 Riviera(on the left) "Cruising Missile" Midnight Blue Pearl 90,000 miles GuttedAirBox  70GS455(on the right) Diplomat Blue "Howitzer with windshield wipers" |
|  | | 1978Z1R Newbie
Name: 1978Z1R Age: 37 Location: Madison Wisconsin Joined: 2009-09-26 Post Count: 6 Contribution: 109 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:38 pm | |
| I went over this discussion for many many years as a former GM for Uhaul. The hitch that is installed on my Riviera is a Class II reciever hitch which is rated for 3500 pounds towed weight and 300 pounds tongue weight. The GM manual as previously stated limits the user to 1000 pounds. The dilemna is much greater and much simpler than most people consider. As the previous statement of a riviera vs a heavier sport utility would suggest the favor going to the brake modded car; however, the SUV would win that fight hand over fist. Shear mass is the equation. The brakes only work against the car, the trailer's mass multiplied by velocity squared becomes the force against the stopping vehicle. The minor modifications made to the car mean little vs the larger tire surfact and significant greater mass of the truck. I heard time and time again, "My car has 350 Horse power, it can pull anything on your lot." Truth be told, my lawn tractor could pull anything on that lot and often did. No one would question that the 500 pound mass of the tractor would be insufficient to stop the trailer to avoid an accident. DOT generally rated a vehicle to pull trailer weight up to 1000 pounds less than the curb weight of the vehicle. Warranties and manufacture labels erred to caution. I have seen some absolutely horrific trailer accidents where some cowboy thought he knew more than the manufacture and DOT. Scary stuff. |
|  | | dreww Enthusiast

Location: Dallas Joined: 2007-04-10 Post Count: 765 Contribution: 1131 Integrity: 8
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:26 pm | |
| i have a dual jetski setup. ive towed it many times with my riv. over 2k lbs fully loaded. it can tow it, but its not fun. our torque comes when under boost. at a thousand lbs less, i think youre alright. BTW, if anyone needs a towbar and hitch setup, ive got one for sale. fits g bodies such and rivs and auroras. _________________ '96 Riviera - 4T60E - DHP tuned Exhaust: SLP headers, cat/EGR delete Intake: CAI, 2.76" MPS, N*, ported sc, 42.5lb w/ PRJ fuel rails, S2 IC, Meziere IC pump, machined LIM, frozenboost IC radiator Drivetrain: 1.9 roller rockers/pushrods, 105 valvesprings, AC delete next: 2003 4T80E with 50K to go in
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|  | | 1978Z1R Newbie
Name: 1978Z1R Age: 37 Location: Madison Wisconsin Joined: 2009-09-26 Post Count: 6 Contribution: 109 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: Hitch, Trailer, and Towing Discussion Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:45 pm | |
| Just make sure when towing to shift out of overdrive into 3rd. Learned this the hard way. I have got a nice new transmission now. |
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