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Jack the R Addict

Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 3824 Contribution: 2556 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Not starting again. Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:03 pm | |
| It's probably the same problem as before, not enough contact in the positive battery terminal. I spent about an hour cleaning terminals today to no avail. I poured a mixture of baking soda and water on the positive lead several times. The accessories work well, unlike before cranking the car doesn't knock them out entirely. They keep working. The starter kicks for a millisecond, then stops and there's a clicking inside the steering column. If I hold it I get scary wheezy sounds from inside the passenger side of the dash and the back seat area I'm not happy with this side terminal battery design. I've never had problems like this from clamp on terminals. |
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captshiner Enthusiast

Name: Andrew Age: 23 Location: Cincinnati, OH Joined: 2008-07-23 Post Count: 761 Contribution: 568 Integrity: -1
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:09 pm | |
| Have you replaced the battery cables? Or get the starter tested? Are you able to start it in neutral? _________________ Currently Riv-less.  |
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Jack the R Addict

Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 3824 Contribution: 2556 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:53 pm | |
| I can try starting it in neutral tomorrow. How is that different then starting it in park? I haven't replaced the cables or tested the starter. I think the reason why I'm having this problem is because I pulled the battery out to recharge it. The prior two times I started it everything seemed to be o.k. other than the battery being weak. |
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ibmoses Addict

Name: Bert Location: North Alabama Joined: 2008-02-03 Post Count: 1486 Contribution: 4133 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:29 pm | |
| You might try tapping on the starter with a hammer and see if that makes a difference. I know it sounds ignorant but if the starter is trying to lock up it could possibly cause some weird stuff. Just jack the car up and have some one try to start the car, when they hit the switch give the starter a good rap. Bert  _________________ 99 Riviera(on the left) "Cruising Missile" Midnight Blue Pearl 90,000 miles GuttedAirBox  70GS455(on the right) Diplomat Blue "Howitzer with windshield wipers" |
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Jack the R Addict

Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 3824 Contribution: 2556 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:35 pm | |
| Man, I hope it's not the starter. It'd be an odd coincidence for the starter to die at the same time I'm monkeying around with the battery. It's got to be that damn connector not being clean enough. The baking soda didn't take the grime off that screw bit as well as I would have liked. But it flowed enough electricity before I disconnected the battery. |
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ewolfe0050 Addict

Name: Eric Location: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 2007-07-31 Post Count: 1064 Contribution: 1700 Integrity: 14
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:01 pm | |
| You might have to break down and buy a new battery from the sound of it... I take it from your comment "I pulled the battery out to recharge it. The prior two times I started it everything seemed to be o.k. other than the battery being weak." it;s an older battery? Best to do it now rather than being stuck on the side of the road in winter. That and the clicking sound happens when not enough juice is left to crank the motor... accessories will still come on in this situation. _________________ GenV, IC, Rockers, PRJ LL Cam, 2.8MPS, TEP Trans, +100 other modifications.
349.65 whp 366.31 ft/lbs tq
13.16 @ 105.77 w/ 2.06 60"
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deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:05 pm | |
| How old is your battery? Is there any corrosion on the terminals? Was there? I've never seen any corrosion on the back-seat batteries. Protection from the elements is a good thing... My battery was factory and finally gave it up last fall on me. _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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Jack the R Addict

Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 3824 Contribution: 2556 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:09 pm | |
| It's an Optima, and only a couple years old. It ran down because I only drive a couple times a month. Corrosion on the battery terminals was minimal. The positive cable attached to the car is where the gunk was, and to a lesser extent now, is. |
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captshiner Enthusiast

Name: Andrew Age: 23 Location: Cincinnati, OH Joined: 2008-07-23 Post Count: 761 Contribution: 568 Integrity: -1
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:47 am | |
| Well, I'd tear out the starter and battery and take them both to your local auto parts store and get them tested. Just to answer your question about starting in neutral is the neutral saftey switch. The baking soda isn't meant to dissolve the corrosion, it's meant to neutralize the sulfuric acid that causes the corrosion. Give the terminals a good scrubbing, try starting in N, and get the battery and starter tested. _________________ Currently Riv-less.  |
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Rickw Addict
Name: Rick Location: Lancaster, MA Joined: 2008-09-13 Post Count: 2694 Contribution: 3724 Integrity: 31
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:37 am | |
| | Jack the R wrote: | | The positive cable attached to the car is where the gunk was, and to a lesser extent now, is. |
Disconnect these cables and any others and wire brush the cables and points on the chassis where they connect, then re-assemble, put some dielectric grease on them when done. You can get a small tube of dielectric at the auto parts store. Good for light bulb connections or any other connection you want to minimize water intrusion or corrosion. Will not affect the conducting properties of the cabling, wiring ,etc. _________________ 98 Riv, 102K Miles, EBC, LS1 Ft.Calipers, STB, Addco Rr Sway Bar, 180* stat., SSAC Headers, HF Cat, 1.9's, 105# springs, MPS 3.4, DHP tuned by the Deekster.
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deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:26 am | |
| | Jack the R wrote: | It's an Optima, and only a couple years old. It ran down because I only drive a couple times a month.
Corrosion on the battery terminals was minimal. The positive cable attached to the car is where the gunk was, and to a lesser extent now, is. |
Here's a handy little trick - Put a penny somewhere on the top of the battery. Wedge it under something or let it stick out the top a little. Corrosion that would have formed on the terminals will now form on the penny instead. Replace the penny once or twice a year (depending on how quickly it corrodes) for best results. No more terminal corrosion!!
There is a problem: There must be moisture getting under your back seat somehow. Stop the moisture and you'll stop the corrosion._________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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albertj Addict
Name: Location: Finger Lakes of New York State Joined: 2007-05-31 Post Count: 2052 Contribution: 2496 Integrity: 29
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:00 am | |
| did you put the Optima in or did your car come with it? Albertj |
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Jack the R Addict

Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 3824 Contribution: 2556 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:35 am | |
| I put the Optima in. I pulled the battery and stuck it in my Dodge - plenty of cranking power. Next up, cleaning that dang positive terminal again. Anywhere on top of the battery, or does it have to be touching a terminal? |
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deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:03 pm | |
| Not near a terminal, just anywhere on top of the battery (referring to the penny I assume) _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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Jack the R Addict

Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 3824 Contribution: 2556 Integrity: 22
 | Subject: Re: Not starting again. Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:49 pm | |
| Alright, I'm going to find me a shiny new penny and tape it on top of the battery. The problem turned out to be the tarnish or patina that had built up on the terminals. I hit 'em all with a wire brush attachment on the dremel and then the Riv fired up strong. I was surprised at how much even the terminals on the Optima had tarnished over 2 years. BTW I've never seen a sign of moisture in the battery area - this is all the work of the O2 molecule. |
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