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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Differences in Superchargers Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:10 pm | |
| I found this graph a couple years ago, and found it interesting. Yes, I know there's a turbo in there, but it's a type of supercharger. The various types of superchargers are correctly named below:  Note how closely the Roots blower's torque curve follows boost. Also, the power advantage of the turbo is very clear on this graph, as well as its peaky delivery. _________________  |
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turtleman Addict

Name: Codith Age: 22 Location: Villa Park, IL Joined: 2007-02-09 Post Count: 1691 Contribution: 1664 Integrity: 19
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:32 pm | |
| It's shocking to see a turbo yields more low initial torque than a centrifugal blower and also strange to see that the turbo levels off. I figured it would continue on up.. more so than the centrifugal _________________ 1997 turtle  |
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deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:09 pm | |
| turbo depends a lot on other factors. Another reason I like belt-driven superchargers - the consistency is hard to beat. The low end torque is where it's at anyway. I prefer a grunty low end motor to a high revving one. More fuel efficient and less rotating speed = less chance of breakage  _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:48 pm | |
| The engines used in these tests must've been monsters. On the dyno, my car's max wheel torque was about where the centrifugal blower's starts at 2500 RPM! A lot of people think turbos have superior fuel efficiency compared to roots blowers. Their reasoning might be that turbos are more "efficient" power adders, that blowers suck power from the engine, and that turbos don't use much fuel at cruising speeds. But they don't consider that an efficient power adder doesn't mean a fuel efficient one, blowers require almost no power at cruising RPMs, and they often forget about our boost bypass, which effectively turns the motor from FI into 8.5:1 N/A. _________________  |
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Mr.Riviera Addict

Name: Matthew Age: 23 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-18 Post Count: 2962 Contribution: 2522 Integrity: 26
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:23 pm | |
| | AA wrote: | | which effectively turns the motor from FI into 8.5:1 N/A. |
which is why going up hills slowly in OD feels like the car is chugging along 1600rpm and 8.5 compression = great on gas  _________________ 3.4, N*, 1.84RR, P&P blower and LIM, 3"DP, 4"WAI, plog, 6K HID, Eibach pro springs, KYB GR-2, Fbody 12" brakes,caddy STB & sway bar. Rear addco sway bar is next   |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:46 pm | |
| Yeah, I got tired of that pretty fast. PowrTuner to the rescue! Of course, if I ever want to chug, I just put it into cruise and it's back to the old way. _________________  |
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TType_Riviera Member

Name: Rob Age: 27 Location: ohio Joined: 2007-03-06 Post Count: 422 Contribution: 998 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:52 pm | |
| ofcourse with an effective tuning solution...during regualar driving you can have the ecu lean out the mixture to get optimum mileage. I have never seen exactly how efficient the centrifugal style was on paper...and i always wondered why the mustang guys used them... i guess though you pretty much have the efficiency of a turbo,with superior intercooling vs a regular roots/screw.. _________________  RETIRED New car pics soon! |
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turtleman Addict

Name: Codith Age: 22 Location: Villa Park, IL Joined: 2007-02-09 Post Count: 1691 Contribution: 1664 Integrity: 19
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:28 pm | |
| | TType_Riviera wrote: | I have never seen exactly how efficient the centrifugal style was on paper...and i always wondered why the mustang guys used them... i guess though you pretty much have the efficiency of a turbo,with superior intercooling vs a regular roots/screw.. |
the thunderbird super coupes have intercooled M90s on them. but they are older and make less power. I hoped that using that style housing on the L67 might be possible to utilize air to air intercooling but I see no way to do it_________________ 1997 turtle  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:16 am | |
| quote: "ofcourse with an effective tuning solution...during regualar driving you can have the ecu lean out the mixture to get optimum mileage."I've never tried this, as I thought the PCM would just compensate. But I have read about some advancing the timing really far to get 45+ mpg. quote: "i guess though you pretty much have the efficiency of a turbo,with superior intercooling vs a regular roots/screw.."Centrifugals also sound really cool! Better than Whipple, imo. quote: "I hoped that using that style housing on the L67 might be possible to utilize air to air intercooling but I see no way to do it"Believe it or not, it's possible to do air-to-air intercooling on the L67 with the factory blower. _________________  |
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Karma Enthusiast

Name: Andrew Age: 25 Location: Ontario, Canada Joined: 2008-01-14 Post Count: 640 Contribution: 1071 Integrity: 14
 | Subject: Sweet article on supercharging Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:05 am | |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:24 am | |
| Very good read, Andrew! One of the things to keep in mind - the inefficiency of a roots blower has one small advantage: it helps in keeping the torque curve flat. If it were more efficient, like a turbo, you would get more power up top, but the roots design encourages that strong low-end grunt, albeit less horsepower output overall. Twin screw is my personal favorite. Perfect power delivery, imo! _________________  |
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Karma Enthusiast

Name: Andrew Age: 25 Location: Ontario, Canada Joined: 2008-01-14 Post Count: 640 Contribution: 1071 Integrity: 14
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:30 am | |
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hotrod58 Trainee

Name: Josh Age: 21 Location: McPherson Kansas Joined: 2008-12-11 Post Count: 21 Contribution: 351 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:05 pm | |
| so what kind of superchargers does our Riviera have factory? _________________ when GM makes better cars they will ALL be made by BUICK[b]
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Differences in Superchargers Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:08 pm | |
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Karma Enthusiast

Name: Andrew Age: 25 Location: Ontario, Canada Joined: 2008-01-14 Post Count: 640 Contribution: 1071 Integrity: 14
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