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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:46 am

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As far as the snout goes the recommended sealant for it is Anaerobic Gasket Maker, have a tube of it here I bought at advanced auto made by Permatex.
Can be found at any auto parts store made by different manufacturer's.


Also, make absolutely sure both surfaces are CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN, I would wipe down with brake cleaner once you are sure there is no oil remaining. That oil is thick and sticky, and really hard to make sure it's gone.

As for the broken T-stat housing bolts - you shouldn't have to remove the T-stat to remove the LIM. But since you already broke the bolts, use a soft mallet or block of wood to tap the tstat housing up and off, then you should be able to put vice grips on the bolts and unscrew them. I highly recommend giving them some time to soak in PB Blaster or some other good penetrant before trying to unscrew them.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:50 am

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Any how clean does the gasket surface need to be? i hit it with some carb cleaner, but there is still some tarnish on it. what do i need to use?

Take a scotch brite pad and clean the surface until all varnish is removed. It will clean up relatively easy with a mild abrasive pad and then some brake clean.
Use a red scotch brite pad for all your gasket surfaces. Buy a couple of them if you don't already have some around.
I use the the 2" round ones on my die grinder but you can get rectangular pads that are sold at most auto parts stores or body shop supply stores.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:35 am

BTW Carb cleaner may leave a film that needs to be removed before you can put a gasket material on. Brake cleaner does not leave such a film.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:46 am

sweet thanks for all the info!

Derek, i've soaked the studs down with pb many times but they just will not budge. i even cut a small slit in one to try and use a flat head to remove it...nada. looks like i may have to go to the junk yard and buy a lim frown


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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:58 am

You can drill a small hole right through those. You need to centerpunch the remaining stud so the drill won't walk off the bolt, then drill right through. Then a bigger drill, then a bigger drill... when you get closer to the threads stop drilling, heat it all up with fire and put a bolt extractor in the hole, then turn it right out.

Trust me, I've done stuff like this before. That's salvagable!

Make sure you soak them with PB Blaster though. I don't know of any other penetrant as effective.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:05 am

Sorry, I was typing this while Derek replied, so some of it is redundant.
Have you ever drilled and used an easy out for broken bolts before.?
If not, you have to make a center punch directly in the center of the broken bolt.
I notice the one on the right in the picture is not flat, so you will want to file or grind the surface of the broken bolt flat first, so you can get a good center punch mark in the middle.
Then get a drill and easy out at the hardware store or home depot or wherever you can.
You want to start with a fresh-sharp drill bit.
The bit and easy out will be sized for each other. I don't know what the diameter of those bolts are but you will need to measure that first and get a bit smaller and a new easy out that is sharp. A single bit and easy out will be about $10.00, cheaper than a LIM.
Drill carefully and slowly with a lubricant down the center of the broken bolt, and clean all chips and oil from hole as you go, then tap easy out into hole with a small hammer, use easy out gently to remove broken bolt. You may not get it to move right away but if you keep soaking around the exterior of it with penetrating spray and tapping the easy out into the hole you have drilled with a small hammer and keep trying to turn it counter clockwise it may come loose and thread it out of the hole. DO NOT put so much counter clockwise pressure on the easy out and break it in the whole. Once that happens you can forget about trying to drill out the easy out. It is made of hardened tool steel and almost impossible to drill into it. You can put all the downward pressure you want.
Because it is hardened tool steel they are somewhat brittle and can break under a strong twisting motion.
And as Derek said you can help it come out by heating around the bolts, not the bolts themselves, but the aluminum around them. Aluminum will expand quicker than the steel bolt and allow it to come out of the hole.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:31 am

Rickw wrote:
And as Derek said you can help it come out by heating around the bolts, not the bolts themselves, but the aluminum around them. Aluminum will expand quicker than the steel bolt and allow it to come out of the hole.


I'm pretty sure the LIM is cast iron, not aluminum.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:46 am

The L32 LIM I have here in the garage is cast aluminum.
I don't know if the L67 is the same, sorry for any confusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:00 pm

almost certain the lim is cast aluminum. i just washed it down with some wheel cleaner (acid mix) and it bubles like aluminum does. nice and shiny now though happy
I did notice a area around one of the coolant passages has a rough casting from the factory, should i try and sand it some or not worry about it? need a pic?

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:22 pm

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almost certain the lim is cast aluminum. i just washed it down with some wheel cleaner (acid mix) and it bubles like aluminum does. nice and shiny now though happy
I did notice a area around one of the coolant passages has a rough casting from the factory, should i try and sand it some or not worry about it? need a pic?

What did you use to clean and shine the cast aluminum. I have to do this L32 I have. What wheel cleaner works good on it.?
Also, yes a pic would help determine exactly what your talking about for rough casting and if it needs any attention.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:32 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:35 pm

Being a gasket surface i would try and smooth the roughest part of that out with a fine sand paper wrapped around a block of wood or something, you want to keep it flat..
Just don't overdo it.
Also, what cleaner did you use.?

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:07 pm

Scotch brite pad (green scrubbie).... works wonders.. and some E85 as a cleaner... or 93 if you swing that way wink

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:17 pm

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This looks very rough up top, was it like that when you pulled it?

There's still quite a bit of gasket on that as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Top end gasket job HELP!   Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:37 pm

yes it was like they when i pulled it. i am thinking i may hit that area with some black rtv b/c that part of the casting is actally lower than the rest of it so sanding it may make it worse.

Rick, i used a chemical from work that we use on chrome wheels. it is 3% mix of oxylic, hydrochloric and phosphoric acid.
burns skin, clean aluminum and makes chrome look brand new!
it's a comercial product, but i believe napa has something similar in a gallon jug.
works best if you have a pressure washer handy.

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