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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:36 am | |
| Well if that's the case, DHP broke the rules because IFR is increased on their PCMs. I didn't make huge changes, just enough to get my fuel deliviery right. The technique is in their manual. I use stock injectors. Any info on why adjusting IFR is a bad idea? Keep in mind there are different schools of thought at the DHP board. Not everyone thinks the same thing. There are a lot of people who believe MAF tuning is bad because the PCM learns to compensate. _________________  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:19 am | |
| Tune #10 Started the MAF tune yesterday. Took about 5 scans, tuning a little each time. Instead of trying to tune for ideal O2 values, I increased values in the MAF table at the freq where KR occurred, basically drowning the knock with fuel. My O2s are above 950, but I don't care. The fuel can run out my pipes if it helps reduce knock. And it worked! Yesterday I was seeing 3-5º KR at WOT; last night from 0-95 mph I saw three small spikes, all below 1.9º. The car felt nice and quick, especially right after a shift. I think with a couple more scans I can get it down to zero. I'm calling this my "45º F tune". Hope the weather stays cool until IDD. On the way to work this morning, I noticed from a roll (60 mph) if I go WOT, I'm still seeing a brief spike of 2-3º KR, and have also noticed my LTFT is now consistantly negative (rich) compared to last time. Still locks at zero for WOT though. Not sure why this is, but it may have something to do with changing IFR like dreww was pointing out (or it could be the weird weather). I'm going to try and lean out the IFR a bit to compensate. _________________  |
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dreww Enthusiast

Location: Dallas Joined: 2007-04-10 Post Count: 765 Contribution: 1131 Integrity: 8
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:37 pm | |
| | AA wrote: | Tune #10
n the way to work this morning, I noticed from a roll (60 mph) if I go WOT, I'm still seeing a brief spike of 2-3º KR, and have also noticed my LTFT is now consistantly negative (rich) compared to last time. Still locks at zero for WOT though. Not sure why this is, but it may have something to do with changing IFR like dreww was pointing out (or it could be the weird weather). I'm going to try and lean out the IFR a bit to compensate. |
I still get that damn knock from a roll too. Ive got a new laptop battery on the way cause mine wont last over 15 minutes (not a good scan). Did your new MAF table come from the maf program like the one you used for the IFR?
| AA wrote: |
Keep in mind there are different schools of thought at the DHP board. Not everyone thinks the same thing. There are a lot of people who believe MAF tuning is bad because the PCM learns to compensate. |
you are absolutely right. Everything is half theory on that board but good info. |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:38 am | |
| My battery is crapping out too. Instead of a new battery, I bought a DC/AC power inverter at Best Buy for $35. Now I can run any low-power plug-in from the accessory or cig lighter plug. I did not use any IFR or MAF calculator programs, I adjusted my tables manually. I don't trust those calculators because I didn't write them. Manual adjustment takes longer, but gives a better understanding of what's going on, imo. _________________  |
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dreww Enthusiast

Location: Dallas Joined: 2007-04-10 Post Count: 765 Contribution: 1131 Integrity: 8
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:54 pm | |
| | AA wrote: | My battery is crapping out too. Instead of a new battery, I bought a DC/AC power inverter at Best Buy for $35. Now I can run any low-power plug-in from the accessory or cig lighter plug.
I did not use any IFR or MAF calculator programs, I adjusted my tables manually. I don't trust those calculators because I didn't write them. Manual adjustment takes longer, but gives a better understanding of what's going on, imo. |
i saw one of those but my battery was so weak it really needed one. I got the laptop used and I think its the original battery (and the laptop itself is pretty old) got one for less than $50 shipped to me from ebay. not too bad.
I only have one option under Fuel Injector>Injector_Flow_Rate>: mSec/Gram 207.17 (stock setting)
that is it. Its not a chart variable with different speeds/temps/etc....just one box with one option. I guess I could increase the number, but it raises flow rate at all rpms/maf hz/etc. I believe. |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:43 am | |
| Are you using PowrTuner? Mine has a chart for different IFR values at each MAP value from 10-100. _________________  |
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dreww Enthusiast

Location: Dallas Joined: 2007-04-10 Post Count: 765 Contribution: 1131 Integrity: 8
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:37 am | |
| | AA wrote: | | Are you using PowrTuner? Mine has a chart for different IFR values at each MAP value from 10-100. |
yes, im using PT. I believe this might be another "difference" between 96 models and later models. Just like you have transmission shift time and pressure options of which I have none.
older model = less options. |
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NO 4 EVR Enthusiast

Name: Troy Age: 24 Location: Sylvania, OH (Toledo) Joined: 2007-01-26 Post Count: 648 Contribution: 1033 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:46 pm | |
| Are the options "there" but the powertuner team did not make them usable you think? Like you can't see them but in reality the code is there? They just maybe didnt feel like going in depth on just the 96 year.... _________________ 1996 Riviera s/c Series II 144,000 miles Gutted box + K&N Intense 180* Tstat , Coupler Autolite 104's Magnaflow Cat, Res Delete And one problem after another  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:00 pm | |
| If the team didn't make them available, they might as well not be there. There are a lot of options that they don't use at all for any car. No harm in asking. Someone should send them an email or post at the DHP forum. _________________  |
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NO 4 EVR Enthusiast

Name: Troy Age: 24 Location: Sylvania, OH (Toledo) Joined: 2007-01-26 Post Count: 648 Contribution: 1033 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:55 pm | |
| Thats what I'm saying. Good idea to contact them. BTW what isn't available for your car? _________________ 1996 Riviera s/c Series II 144,000 miles Gutted box + K&N Intense 180* Tstat , Coupler Autolite 104's Magnaflow Cat, Res Delete And one problem after another  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:53 pm | |
| From what I've read no one knows really except Charles, who runs DHP. Some suspect that not all the tables are included with the Powrtuner software. With a Tech 2 for instance, you can control way more stuff. _________________  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
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SpaceBar Addict

Name: Patrick Age: 23 Location: Quincy, MA Joined: 2007-04-08 Post Count: 1199 Contribution: 965 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:09 am | |
| Well you answered my question over here  . Looks like the 3.2 isn't much more kr than the 3.4? |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:27 am | |
| In this case it looks that way, but not really. the 3.4" run was without much of a tune (didn't need it until up high, really). The 3.2" took some dailing in. Before the tune I was running near stock MAFF values. KR popped up earlier, and sustained in the 3-5º range. I got a nasty peak of 6º last year at the track. Now it's under control it seems, at least at 40ºF, but no, we are not comparing apples to apples in terms of KR. I'll try to find a previous scan of the 3.2" so you can see how it was. _________________  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: AA's DHP PowrTuner log Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:22 am | |
| Well it got warmer, and 3.2" SC pulley doesn't like it very much. Tried tuning for 75F temps, but KR is back. I've got a 3.3" on the way. In the meantime, put the 3.4" back on and will try to tune it for the hotter weather. Hope it cools down a bit for IDD this weekend.  _________________  |
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