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Fuzzy Trainee
Age: 38 Location: Hickory, NC Joined: 2007-06-01 Post Count: 37 Contribution: 924 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:11 am | |
| I saw that this looked to be a good company by the post and use of their products on here. Something must have changed since then! I ordered the basic PCM with VATS delete and added the 50 bucks for the core charge. Since it's her daily driver and couldn't do the down time of sending ours in. Well 4 days later we get it(ordered on the 18th of june got it 22nd). Unhooked the battery removed the old replace with new one. Simple drop & swap. Go for test drive. No seat of the pants improvement at all,and to top it off VATS still is engaged and still causing no starts  . It does do the 6,000 rpm shifts a WOT other than that I can't tell any differences in shift firmness,performance,etc. We emailed them to let them know that they forgot to delete the vats that night. They replied that they did it that it was a mechanical problem on my end like starter failure,etc. NOT... After explaining to them that the security light is on when it won't start and that when it goes out it cranks fine they promise to send another PCM. Well it's now July 3rd and no PCM. IMO Intense racing just SUCKS |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9468 Contribution: 3468 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:35 am | |
| What kind of car is this? _________________  |
|  | | Fuzzy Trainee
Age: 38 Location: Hickory, NC Joined: 2007-06-01 Post Count: 37 Contribution: 924 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:42 am | |
| 1997 Riviera *by Buick *Series II Supercharged. |
|  | | Rickw Addict
Name: Rick Location: Lancaster, MA Joined: 2008-09-13 Post Count: 2676 Contribution: 3694 Integrity: 30
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:47 am | |
| I've had nothing but good experiences with them, even when I've had to return or exchange an item they've been very prompt. I've had them tell me to keep an item i said was bad and they would just ship me another. They don't know me yet trusted my diagnosis. Very similar experiences with ZZP also. returned a bad O2 sensor after 10 weeks, no problem, they shipped me a new one. _________________ 98 Riv, 102K Miles, EBC, LS1 Ft.Calipers, STB, Addco Rr Sway Bar, 180* stat., SSAC Headers, HF Cat, 1.9's, 105# springs, MPS 3.4, DHP tuned by the Deekster.
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|  | | 98riviera98 Addict

Name: Travis Age: 19 Location: Cottage Grove, MN Joined: 2007-02-08 Post Count: 3950 Contribution: 3034 Integrity: 11
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:14 am | |
| Intense-Racing has done well for me.. Maybe you have just had bad luck? or got a new guy? _________________ 1.9RR's, SSAC, LQ4 maf and N*, Gen V-ported, L32 LIM ported and polished, L26 block, L67 heads, tune, E85, 65# injectors Worthy quotes: | Rickw wrote: | | What a dipshit, grow up. |
| deekster_caddy wrote: | LOL @ guessing Rick's age. Since we've gotten together a couple of times I won't guess he'd probably hit me |
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|  | | nothincame2mind Enthusiast

Name: Ryan Age: 24 Location: St. Charles, Missouri Joined: 2007-01-19 Post Count: 832 Contribution: 1295 Integrity: 1
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:41 pm | |
| I had no problem when I swapped out my old PCM for their new one. Everything was great and I did notice a difference. I've had nothing but good business with them. I wold talk to them again to see where things are at, instead of just waiting. _________________ "When I die I want to go quietly, in my sleep, like Grandpa. Not screaming, like the people in his car." '97 S/C Riviera by Buick L32/ Forged Diamond Pistons/ 3.4" Pulley (Intense MPS)/ S1X Cam/ SLP Headers/ 105# Valve Springs/ 2.5" Exhaust/ Custom PCM Tune/ K&N Filter/ C-Ya Racing LSDhttp://www.cardomain.com/ride/748371 |
|  | | Fuzzy Trainee
Age: 38 Location: Hickory, NC Joined: 2007-06-01 Post Count: 37 Contribution: 924 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:12 am | |
| Are Todd Allen or Scott Cook new guys there at intense???? Yeah I agree with the bad luck thing. Not waiting nor mad enough for a road trip yet either.lol We've each emailed them several times since the 22nd over this matter. Same story "will ship you another one if that doesn't work we'll refund your money" . First it was the day after he gave into maybe they didn't do all the y were supposed to to the PCM and the new one was on its way. Then it was going out Tuesday. Out of town,4th of july,etc.the moon wasn't aligned right with mercury,the east winds blew west,the sky is falling. I'm sure something important or tragic has come up and I'll get reimbursed for the trouble. Maybe a kewl sticker or some abc gum. |
|  | | deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4445 Contribution: 3567 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:06 am | |
| I don't think VATS delete on a PCM will fix another problem you are having. I wasn't aware you could remove VATS, but it's not the way to fix a problem. Why isn't your car working? Probably not VATS. It's a pretty simple system. I have dealt with Intense Racing for years. Scott Cook and Todd Allen have both been there for a long time. Their performance PCMs are generally transmission related changes, you can't "tune" an engine for more performance without being connected to that engine. Transmission changes like shift pressure and shift time take a few driving days to become apparent. I don't know what you were expecting, but replacing the PCM probably won't fix your other problem . _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
|  | | Fuzzy Trainee
Age: 38 Location: Hickory, NC Joined: 2007-06-01 Post Count: 37 Contribution: 924 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:10 pm | |
| What other problem would it be other than VATS? I've had plenty of days while waiting on the other PCM to arrive(june 18-july 6) for the changes to become apparent. Again what problem am I having other than the security light is on car want start,wait til light goes out it starts. Is that not VATS? Either way I'm done with them and will be sending their pcms back for a refund and looking for another company fo my v6 needs. |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9468 Contribution: 3468 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:40 pm | |
| What PCM did you order? Riviera is a custom tune ($250+). If you just ordered their standard Series II PCM for W-Body, you may not feel the shifts because you have no way to activate Perf Shift. FYI, when I installed DHP's standard 1.5 BIN program, I was not impressed. Only after I tuned for my mods, and activated Perf Shift by using the tuner was I able to see a true performance benefit. I don't see how the INTENSE PCM would be any different. _________________  |
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Name: Andrew Age: 25 Location: Ontario, Canada Joined: 2008-01-14 Post Count: 639 Contribution: 1068 Integrity: 14
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:43 pm | |
| I'm not sure I understand your issue with them. As far as I can tell, you have ordered one product from them, that they did not reccomend to you, or even say that it would fix your problem. It looks to me that you decided that the PCM would fix whatever is wrong, and are for some reason not happy with Intense that it did not fix things? Sure maybe the PCM they sent you didn't have the VATS delete, but they are interacting with you and will even give you a refund if you want. and a couple of weeks for shipping, not too bad, sure you are 9 hours away, but shipping time is hardly Intense's problem. I order stuff from them to canada, patience is a virtue. just IMO, its a bit narrow minded to base all your opinion off an item that you decided that you needed. Even IF the VATS truely wasn;t disabled, they are dealing in a civil way with you and offering refund. _________________  |
|  | | deekster_caddy Addict
Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4445 Contribution: 3567 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:07 am | |
| Well I'm certainly curious if another vendor's PCM fixes your problem. I didn't think you could fix a VATS problem in programming. Sounds to me like you need to fix your problem, not replace your PCM. _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
|  | | Fuzzy Trainee
Age: 38 Location: Hickory, NC Joined: 2007-06-01 Post Count: 37 Contribution: 924 Integrity: 0
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:16 pm | |
| | Karma wrote: | I'm not sure I understand your issue with them. As far as I can tell, you have ordered one product from them, that they did not reccomend to you, or even say that it would fix your problem. It looks to me that you decided that the PCM would fix whatever is wrong, and are for some reason not happy with Intense that it did not fix things? Sure maybe the PCM they sent you didn't have the VATS delete, but they are interacting with you and will even give you a refund if you want. and a couple of weeks for shipping, not too bad, sure you are 9 hours away, but shipping time is hardly Intense's problem. I order stuff from them to canada, patience is a virtue.
just IMO, its a bit narrow minded to base all your opinion off an item that you decided that you needed. Even IF the VATS truely wasn;t disabled, they are dealing in a civil way with you and offering refund. |
The whole issue is that this company was picked for the quick turn around(2 days UPS air) The original purchase took 4 days to arrive than after talking to them to send an another PCM to try they replied it would go out next day. Well it was more like 2 weeks later not next day. As far as interacting,emails aren't answered promptly. The tracking # was never sent for the replacement pcm. There was never a mention of shipping reimbursement for the PCMs to be returned. Deekster why are you so adamant that theres a problem with the car? Seems to me that vats is going bad and to just simply delete it out of the pcm data would be the fix. It's what we do with the F-bods.
And AA,On the intense website it states that if you are ordering it for a car that was not equipped with a perf shift button that they would make it part of the WOT. And the PCM for the riviera is on the website just go to the order form. I emailed them befor ordering to make sure and mentioned my mods and that I wanted vats delete. I was told just to do the normal order and check off the option for o2 sensor delete but under the comment box write vats delete instead of o2 sensors. Sorry I posted a negative review about one of your vendors I thought that this was a free speech type forum. Apparently this is not the case here. Again I apologize and will refrain from future postings |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9468 Contribution: 3468 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Intense Racing? PCM no good? Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:42 pm | |
| | Quote: | Sorry I posted a negative review about one of your vendors I thought that this was a free speech type forum. Apparently this is not the case here. Again I apologize and will refrain from future postings |
Wait a minute - there's really no need for that. No one said your posts were inappropriate. If that were the case, they would be deleted. Instead, the members and I have responded to your concerns with our own opinions of this vendor. Just because our experiences happen to be different from yours, why must you take a defensive posture?
There has been no censorship here. This is an open forum. But the nature of such requires that views and opinions of our membership will not always support your own. If this were a "feel good" forum where everyone just nodded in agreement, I don't think we would learn very much.
Getting back to the issue, you had a problem with INTENSE product that you ordered to solve what you think was your no-start problem. Did you ever consider that it might not be VATS related? If it is VATS, how do you know it's not a combination of problems? It's just hard to support 100% that this is all the fault of INTENSE. That's all we're trying to say.
With so many of us having good experience with INTENSE, could it be possible that, with exception to the delivery delays, they are not trying to screw you here?_________________  |
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