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Name: Travis Age: 19 Location: Cottage Grove, MN Joined: 2007-02-08 Post Count: 3964 Contribution: 3039 Integrity: 11
 | Subject: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:46 am | |
| From: http://rivperformance.editboard.com/Series-II-3800-Supercharged-c2/Engine-Transmission-f4/Write-Up-4-FWI-t107.htm| AA wrote: | I've never dyno'd, but going from a gutted OEM air box w/ K&N to a FWI with cone showed the following differences with 3.4" pulley & 1:9:1 rockers:
OEM IAT @ idle: 81-82ºF @ 55ºF FWI IAT @ idle: 73-77ºF @ 61ºF
OEM IAT @ WOT, 70 mph: 78-80ºF @ 55ºF FWI IAT @ WOT, 70 mph: 81-87ºF @ 61ºF
OEM Mass Air Flow: 32.7 lb/min @ 55ºF FWI Mass Air Flow: 31.5 lb/min @ 61ºF
OEM Max Boost: 10.8 PSI @ 55ºF FWI Max Boost: 12.2 PSI @ 61ºF
OEM 0-60 mph best: 6.85 secs @55ºF OEM 0-60 mph best: 6.80 secs @61ºF
Note that FWI testing was done in 6º warmer ambient temps. |
ummm how did u get these results????? i really want to hook up something to my laptop so i can tune my car whenever so if i see a race i can quick change it to race mode and hold the rpm's highrer_________________ 1.9RR's, SSAC, LQ4 maf and N*, Gen V-ported, L32 LIM ported and polished, L26 block, L67 heads, tune, E85, 65# injectors Worthy quotes: | Rickw wrote: | | What a dipshit, grow up. |
| deekster_caddy wrote: | LOL @ guessing Rick's age. Since we've gotten together a couple of times I won't guess he'd probably hit me |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:54 am | |
| I used AutoTap. Tuning doesn't really work that way, though. Rewriting the PCM takes a couple mins, and you must have the car off. What you can do is tune the PCM so it drives/shifts differently when at WOT vs. normal. Once you see how much better the car drives with a tune, you won't want to use the factory settings ever. Until you get a tuner, one way I used to hold the RPMs higher is to manually shift. _________________  |
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Name: Travis Age: 19 Location: Cottage Grove, MN Joined: 2007-02-08 Post Count: 3964 Contribution: 3039 Integrity: 11
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:58 am | |
| | AA wrote: | I used AutoTap. Tuning doesn't really work that way, though. Rewriting the PCM takes a couple mins, and you must have the car off. What you can do is tune the PCM so it drives/shifts differently when at WOT vs. normal. Once you see how much better the car drives with a tune, you won't want to use the factory settings ever.
Until you get a tuner, one way I used to hold the RPMs higher is to manually shift. |
what i found out is that when i hold it in first geat it shifts at 48 and when its in Overdrive its at 45 LOL but yes ill go and find more about auto tap is it easy to use_________________ 1.9RR's, SSAC, LQ4 maf and N*, Gen V-ported, L32 LIM ported and polished, L26 block, L67 heads, tune, E85, 65# injectors Worthy quotes: | Rickw wrote: | | What a dipshit, grow up. |
| deekster_caddy wrote: | LOL @ guessing Rick's age. Since we've gotten together a couple of times I won't guess he'd probably hit me |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:04 pm | |
| I was able to hold mine to 99 mph in 2nd gear by manually shifting (this was after a few mods, be careful). _________________  |
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Name: Travis Age: 19 Location: Cottage Grove, MN Joined: 2007-02-08 Post Count: 3964 Contribution: 3039 Integrity: 11
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:08 pm | |
| yes my car is still goverened at 108 mph tho lol shhh i didnt test it haha jk i cant remember what gear i was in !!!! but it still shifts on its own !!! at 48 for me so i cant find much about tuners u kno my car and what will be done to it and im on a very low budget waht would u sugest for a tuner taht WILL work haha unlike my dads.. _________________ 1.9RR's, SSAC, LQ4 maf and N*, Gen V-ported, L32 LIM ported and polished, L26 block, L67 heads, tune, E85, 65# injectors Worthy quotes: | Rickw wrote: | | What a dipshit, grow up. |
| deekster_caddy wrote: | LOL @ guessing Rick's age. Since we've gotten together a couple of times I won't guess he'd probably hit me |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:14 pm | |
| PowrTuner is $380. It's not cheap, but it's worth it. _________________  |
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Name: Travis Age: 19 Location: Cottage Grove, MN Joined: 2007-02-08 Post Count: 3964 Contribution: 3039 Integrity: 11
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:16 pm | |
| | AA wrote: | | PowrTuner is $380. It's not cheap, but it's worth it. |
would i definitely need a powrtuner if i get the 3.4 inch pulley and if i get the tuner will i be able to go to 3.25 without knock_________________ 1.9RR's, SSAC, LQ4 maf and N*, Gen V-ported, L32 LIM ported and polished, L26 block, L67 heads, tune, E85, 65# injectors Worthy quotes: | Rickw wrote: | | What a dipshit, grow up. |
| deekster_caddy wrote: | LOL @ guessing Rick's age. Since we've gotten together a couple of times I won't guess he'd probably hit me |
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Name: Enrique Patino Age: 24 Location: Queens, New York City Joined: 2007-01-24 Post Count: 739 Contribution: 1639 Integrity: 7
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:50 pm | |
| | 98riviera98 wrote: | | AA wrote: | | PowrTuner is $380. It's not cheap, but it's worth it. |
would i definitely need a powrtuner if i get the 3.4 inch pulley and if i get the tuner will i be able to go to 3.25 without knock |
you will boost stack. You need to to be able to get the air out of the engine as well as it comes in. Headers and rockers do wonders._________________  2001 Bonneville SSEI. Engine: ZZP 3.2 MPS, Intense S1X Cam, PDM Ported SC, LS1 TB, PRJ wires, SS autochrome headers, ZZP UD WP, DHP Powertuner, 3.29 Gears, DIY Shift kit, Handling: GXP STB, ES endlinks, DTS Front brakes, GXP Rear brakes. |
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Name: Travis Age: 19 Location: Cottage Grove, MN Joined: 2007-02-08 Post Count: 3964 Contribution: 3039 Integrity: 11
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:55 pm | |
| | oldsman105 wrote: | | 98riviera98 wrote: | | AA wrote: | | PowrTuner is $380. It's not cheap, but it's worth it. |
would i definitely need a powrtuner if i get the 3.4 inch pulley and if i get the tuner will i be able to go to 3.25 without knock |
you will boost stack. You need to to be able to get the air out of the engine as well as it comes in. Headers and rockers do wonders. |
so will i be fine with the 3.4 inch pulley and air intake and pretty open exhaust i have no mufflers........ or would i need headers (idk bout putting on roller rockers uhhh sounds like alot of works because u need a air tank and twist ties@!!!!!!! according to AAs install!!! hahah Jk but is roller rockers and headers woow thats alot of $$$$_________________ 1.9RR's, SSAC, LQ4 maf and N*, Gen V-ported, L32 LIM ported and polished, L26 block, L67 heads, tune, E85, 65# injectors Worthy quotes: | Rickw wrote: | | What a dipshit, grow up. |
| deekster_caddy wrote: | LOL @ guessing Rick's age. Since we've gotten together a couple of times I won't guess he'd probably hit me |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:23 pm | |
| Agree with oldsman, you can program enough fuel with a tuner to run the 3.4", but a 3.25" needs additional mods to help flow. What he's calling "boost stacking" is what happens when you try to cram too much air into the engine with no way to push it out. It's a lot of money, but compared to what you'd spend to get the same numbers out of a N/A engine, it's a bargain. Modding cars to be fast is expensive, period. We make up for the cost in already having a supercharger, and the fact that it's a Buick let's you save on insurance. Btw, if you drop a valve while installing valve springs, you'll wish you'd bought a $20 air tank! If you think modding is expensive... try paying someone $1000+ to pull the heads and retrieve a dropped valve! _________________  |
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Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:50 pm | |
| If you don't have a tuner, you need to make some other supporting mods to run a 3.4 safely. I'd recommend an MPS starting with a 3.5. I picked up a DHP PowerTunr a few months ago. Personally, I wish I'd skip DHP's PowerTuner and spend an extra $100 for an HP Tuners setup. If you think you might be interested in tuning, save up $500, skip the $300 Autotap and go straight to an HP Tuner. _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:40 pm | |
| Why is HP Tuner better than DHP? _________________  |
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Name: Derek Age: 37 Location: Reading, MA Joined: 2007-02-01 Post Count: 4446 Contribution: 3570 Integrity: 28
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:50 am | |
| I don't care for HPT's pricing/car structure, but their software is just... better. I can't stand the UI of DHP's, it is sooo poorly designed. I don't think it's designed at all, it just kind of happened. It's a terrible scanner, I wish I still had my autotap. I could go off for hours about the things that irritate me about it but it's not really for this board. My experience with HPT is from others locally who use it, and I'm just jealous every time I see theirs. It's obviously worth the extra dough. All my opinions, and to some that stuff doesn't matter, but I can't stand the temperatures being recorded in METRIC ONLY, drives me up a friggin WALL, and that's just the start... _________________ '98 Buick Riviera; Gen V 3.25 pulley, N*, VS Cam, 180 stat, Custom PCM (Powrtuner), headers & HF cat , 42.5 lb inj. Grant-built/PRJ/Thrasher trans 3.29 gears, 7/8 chain, zzp hardened IS  |
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Name: Aaron Age: 32 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 9474 Contribution: 3477 Integrity: 39
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:21 am | |
| I also can't stand the DHP's scanner. I use AutoTap to scan, only tune with DHP. Maybe that's why I can put up with the PowrTuner's UI. _________________  |
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Name: Travis Age: 19 Location: Cottage Grove, MN Joined: 2007-02-08 Post Count: 3964 Contribution: 3039 Integrity: 11
 | Subject: Re: Newbie Scan/Tune Questions Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:12 am | |
| so what if i get one of those reprogrammed PCM's off of 3800performance.com will it work with my car if i get the 1998 buick regal GS one???? its 100$$ for it !!! _________________ 1.9RR's, SSAC, LQ4 maf and N*, Gen V-ported, L32 LIM ported and polished, L26 block, L67 heads, tune, E85, 65# injectors Worthy quotes: | Rickw wrote: | | What a dipshit, grow up. |
| deekster_caddy wrote: | LOL @ guessing Rick's age. Since we've gotten together a couple of times I won't guess he'd probably hit me |
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