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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:38 am

they look like spaceship lights
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:42 am

I think I'm gonna do sequentials on the Reatta first cool
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:48 am

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I can see the turn-signals & hazards pretty well in the vids, Nate.
Is it a "video thing", or do the center bulbs no longer run with the tail lights?

Also, did you make a note of what number the new bulbs are?

The videos are with the lights off, they sequnce right. With the lights on the middle bulbs light up, and get brighter for the turn signals/hazards. It's a single filament bulb, but it's much bigger than the OEM bulb so it can handle the spikes in voltage...or is it amperage?

Bulb part # 921

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:14 pm

Nate, thank you very much for all the information you posted regarding the Riviera sequential turn signals. Next week I think I will order the WebElectric STS-3MP.
Just so I am clear, I don't have to replace any lamp except for the center lamps (2) which comes with the kit? I am a little confused reading WebElectric installation STS-3MP instructions: “Since you will have the tail light fixtures out of the car, now would be a good time to change the signal bulbs. You will need 4) #2057 bulbs (bayonet style) or 4) #3157 (wedge base)". Just want all six (6) lamps to be of equal brightness. Should I call WebElectric to clarify? Hard to tell from your videos if all six lamps are equal brightness. I want all six (6) rear lamps to be of equal brightness.
Nate, did you do the standard installation: “As you received them, the modules are set up to "burst" (single sequence) the brake lights. That means, when you press the brake pedal, the brake lights sequence once, then stay on as long as you hold the pedal. When you release the pedal, the brake lights go off. This is the way most people have their cars set up.” I would like to have the brake light burst (consider it safer to alert others I am breaking).
I have the Plug-N-Play WebElectric harness for sequential lights on my 2011 Camaro 2LT. I installed about 15 months ago and zero issues. Love the product and customer service (except they won't ship to Canada so I must ship to a friend in the US to reship to me). I am not that mechanically or electrically gifted (I can change a table lamp light bulb in under 2 minutes!) but installed the Plug-N-Play sequential light harness on my Camaro in about 10 mins per side...start to finish with only one phone call to WebElectric customer support (LOL)! Good for me I have a friend that has installed a serious custom audio system in one of his cars so I think I will ask his help installing the sequential lights on my 1998 Riviera. He is coming to my home Tuesday to remove my 'A' pillar trim to reupholster.
I wanted the sequential turn signals on my Riviera for a long time, and now this will be one of my summer projects. Due to early warm and dry weather will take the Riv out of winter storage and wash it Monday (a month early).
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:24 pm

Natesriv wrote:
Eldo wrote:
I can see the turn-signals & hazards pretty well in the vids, Nate.
Is it a "video thing", or do the center bulbs no longer run with the tail lights?

Also, did you make a note of what number the new bulbs are?

The videos are with the lights off, they sequnce right. With the lights on the middle bulbs light up, and get brighter for the turn signals/hazards. It's a single filament bulb.........

Bulb part # 921


Thanks for the part number.
Yes, as I said, I could see the turn/hazard sequencing pretty well in the videos. However, when you were locking & unlocking the doors with the keyfob it was the tail light filaments that were flashing, not the brake/turn filaments... It looked like only the outer bulbs were firing, but with a short blink it was kind of hard to tell.

Have you looked at the back of the car with the headlight switch on? I'm thinking that they might have simply reversed the factory setup: giving you a brighter center bulb gets you six brake/turn lights, but now only 4 tail lights...


(Oh Al, I think their main point was that it's a PITA to change bulbs on the Rivi, so while you have the tail light assy off the car you might as well do what I did and replace ALL the bulbs so you won't have to mess with it for a while... I don't remember which is which, but if you do a little research you'll find out that 3057/3157/3257/3357 differ only in candlepower in one or both filaments. I bought the brightest of both, with the LL suffix - e.g. 3357LL - for bright, Long Life bulbs I wouldn't have to change for a long time... and somewhere I also found halogen 3056's for the backup-light bulbs & the cornering lamps.)
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:33 pm

Nice Riviera Abucom!

Yes, they supply the lights for the middle bulb.. it's just replace the OEM with the ones they supply. They're noticeably larger so I think they're built to handle the extra work.

The kit instructions were for a 96 Caprice/Impalla...but close enough.

I think they mean if you have it off the car, you might as well put in new bulbs (OEM bulbs for the inner, outer and backup lights.)

It's pretty simple, just remember that yellow and purple are driver, while dark green and brown/white are passenger..So if you follow that instrucrtion set, do the passenger side first.

You'll want to splice into the middle bulbs pretty near the middle bulb socket. The outer bulbs I spliced into them a little closer to the center...it's all the same wiring...if you catch my drift.

Buy the kit, and when you're ready, take the rear light panel off...look it over...email me at xwiing70@gmail.com if you get lost...it's easy once you figure it out (and if I can...ANYONE can smile )
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:28 pm

Thank you much.
I admit I am stupid.
Getting anything done on my Riviera here in Canada is like dealing with a 3rd world.
Just wanted to know if I need to replace other taillight bulbs to get equal brightnes and part numbers for those tail-light lamps.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:57 pm

NOT stupid!!! You can do this! It's just "plug and play"...no reasoning..once you see it, you got it for both sdes!

You can do it!
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:22 pm

I'm sorry to nag about this, Nate, but do the middle bulbs still light when only the headlights are on?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:30 am

yes, they come on and function as turn signals by getting even brighter. when the lights aren't on they only come on with signals.

lights on, they also come on but brighten (the S units must up the amperage to them)

with brakes on, the signals are just like with the lights on.

The S units actually cut off the OEM wiring to both middle and outer lights so they can control them that way when you reconnect them to the S units
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:41 am

Cool, thank you.

I guess that they had somebody find (amazingly smile ) a brighter bulb for the 194 socket, and then their new modules apply full voltage to them for turning, but only partial voltage to 'imitate' tail light brightness...

If you get the chance, I'm sure we'd all love to see a video at night, with parking lights on and one turn-signal going.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:14 am

I can do that

BUT...I can't drive her again until I fix my radiator F'up!

http://rivperformance.editboard.com/t7317p45-write-up-radiator-replacement?highlight=radiator

Thinking I need to get a new radiator and somehow flush the crap out of it...

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:02 pm

Well, while you can do the tail light/turn signal video while you're waiting - do you REALLY want to clean your whole cooling system and then put that highly questionable radiator back in??

I know it sucks, but for something so basic and important, I wouldn't mess with this any more... I'd replace the radiator with a new, "good" unit. Yes, I know that most of 'em are Chinese now, but - ya' know... dunno
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:16 pm

see if the vista-pro choice on rock-auto.com is OK with your budget... I used one when I overhauled my cooling system, it has a couple extra tubes in the core (is one row deep, the tubes are just a hair closer together and there are a couple extras). Worked well, no unusual installation drama. You will want to reuse the factory center bracket at the top, the plastic one they provide does not really fit but the factory one fits *great* and snaps right in.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:19 pm

BUT...how to oil out of the entire cooling system? I ordered some flush stuff which removes sludge...since I suspect if the radiator has oil coating it's innards,the rest of the cooling system does too...

I do think I'll just get another radiator...the sludge is black but I don't know how tranny fluid reacts with hot coolant...does it change color and become "sludgy"?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:00 pm

I agree with Albert about the Vista radiator... In fact, I paid GM prices only to get a Vista (Chinese) with a GM part number!!

As for the rest, I would simply wait until a day before my new radiator was due to arrive, and then put the oil/sludge/whatever cleaner through the system while the old radiator is still in place - with the cap open so there is no pressure buildup...
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:17 pm

Eldo wrote:
I agree with Albert about the Vista radiator... In fact, I paid GM prices only to get a Vista (Chinese) with a GM part number!!

As for the rest, I would simply wait until a day before my new radiator was due to arrive, and then put the oil/sludge/whatever cleaner through the system while the old radiator is still in place - with the cap open so there is no pressure buildup...

I agree with Eldo about what to do.

The VistaPro I got from Rock was made in Mexico.

I wanted a Nissens or Modine but could not find at all.

JC Whitney shows a Delphi rad for my 98 Riv for $109.-
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:34 pm

Wow, "Modine".... I remember them! sad

As for Delphi - they're the same thing as GM/Delco/Vista unless they're very old stock...
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:27 pm

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Wow, "Modine".... I remember them! sad

As for Delphi - they're the same thing as GM/Delco/Vista unless they're very old stock...

Modine is still around but only does OE as far as I could tell.

The RockAuto site also says the Vista has a larger oil cooler (5 plate) than the Delco or Spectra (4 plate) rads.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:38 pm

In my electronics class, I have an 8-bit shift register all made up of D Flips and working flawlessly. If I created another and hooked them up for L and R would It possibly give me the same outcome?

I would get a new bulb similar to the others for the middle one and wire it accordingly. Note, this would be the first thing I ever do to my riv. Too challenging?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:47 pm

Welcome, Zach. Since you are the one taking the electronics class, I'm guessing you're the guy to make this happen! If you can't figure it out on your own, ask the instructor, or maybe another student in class who seems to know how circuits work (you know, that nerdy guy in the corner?).

When you figure this out, please make a write-up so the rest of us Riv owners can make a trip to Radio Shack and build our own sequential flash units for $20-30. So, think you are up to it?

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:57 pm

Damn right i'm up for it!! cheers

My teacher was an engineer at Intel for 14 years. And it's just a high school class, but that kid that sits in the corner... never does his work. I'm actually the best in the class, tailed by this other kid that really hates people who talk about cars. But my teacher will be up for it, im sure!!

I have class in 7 hours. So I will talk with him shortly!
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:16 am

Do you guys know if this kit would work well on our rivs? The kit that everyone else was using is no longer being sold, because the company went under.
http://www.webelectricproducts.com/products.htm

Check out the sts universal ones
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Sequential Turn Signals   Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:08 pm

Yup, here's what they sent me in email. I've got them on mine...check back a few pages in this post for my videos & such smile

Quote :
The STS-1 kit will work if you replace the center sockets as described on
that web site. However, for a few dollars more, you should get the STS-3MP
kit. It will convert the middle socket to dual level lighting without
replacing the socket. In other words, you don't need to drill the tail
light housing to install a larger, 3-wire socket in the middle position.

Let me know if you want to change to the STS-3MP. If I don't hear from you
by 9:00 EST, I will ship the STS-1 kit.

-L
http://www.webelectricproducts.com/products.htm

so get the STS 3MP in my opinion...easy to install and no drilling
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