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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyWed Feb 12, 2020 3:27 pm

Ed,
Sent you a PM regarding the antenna.
I finally found it.
Check your PM inbox.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyThu Feb 13, 2020 1:01 pm

That’s awesome, thanks!

First road trip with a partially assembled car was successful, 550 miles trouble free, it was a little loud minus the headliner and passenger seat it did the job nicely as I needed to transport some larger items home.
More pictures when I fix the laptop.
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Fuel filter got refreshed, shook then dumped to see how dirty, not too bad

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Thursday I drove 3.5 hrs to a buddy's house and took his truck and racecar for a weekend out, upon returning @ 3am Sunday I returned to this, no biggie but with this cars tree history I had to admire it for a second

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Sometimes I come home from the track with goodies, not a big deal when using my own truck, this time I was going to take advantage of the half interior (still on its way out)

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Lots of tarps and a blanket to be absolutely sure, but the trans was thoroughly drained/cleaned and wrapped with this in mind. (it was delivered to the track inside someones BMW so I was confident he did a good job)

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albertj wrote:
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As long as that rad was not full of crap (the odd walnut shell dust does not count) I would spend 0 time thinking about it.


Radiator did fine for the road trip, unfortunately water pump #2 has let go while parked a couple of days later

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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 11:13 am

Whose WP do you plan to get for replacement?
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 3:00 pm

albertj wrote:
Whose WP do you plan to get for replacement?

Have any suggestions?

Locally sourced in the $30 range, undecided, as a professional tech I have sworn off Gates Water pumps (everything else gates is fine), AC delco is china but to a decent spec, Murry was all USA, now assembled in USA with a mixed bag of parts from other country's ,GMB is a choice unexplored.

Internet shopping is scary, bought a AC Delco for my 6.0 GMC truck from amazon, box looked convincing,hologram and all, pump looked good till I found the familiar cheap china laser etched font that reminded me of the very cheapest stuff one can buy. Hope its genuine as I tow a racecar interstate.... time will tell.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 5:05 pm

98inWPB wrote:
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Whose WP do you plan to get for replacement?

I have sworn off Gates Water pumps,

Guess who just put a Gates water pump on a few months ago? headbutt
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 6:05 pm

maybe this NOS Airtex, but you'll need to get it *now*.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airtex-Water-Pump-AW5075-Fits-GM-3-8L-3800cc-231-cu-in-V6-Gas-NEW-21D/151571019855

Alternatively I would get the Cardone: https://www.amazon.com/Cardone-58-531-Remanufactured-Domestic-Water/dp/B000C49PRI/

Last time I put on a WP was more than a decade ago, the dealer put on a GM OE unit, my WP was working but sounded like marbles in a can.  Parts counter guy said they run a real long time noisy.  I said I did not need the drama and order me one, put it on, and literally had forgotten about it until now.

Delco and China?  Mmmmm... might have to get over that, GM sells most of its cars in China now (makes them there too I think) - https://www.statista.com/statistics/304367/vehicle-sales-of-general-motors-by-country/.  China's local content contracts as a condition of doing business in the country pretty much guarantee that a good chunk of the spares business had to move to China.  Question is what spec will GM enforce?  The Chinese will hit or beat any spec you want to pay for, so the spec GM will get is the spec GM will pay for. Further point is that in the same way VW sells most of its vehicles outside Germany, GM sells most of its vehicles outside the US.


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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 10:23 pm

Jack the R wrote:
98inWPB wrote:
albertj wrote:
Whose WP do you plan to get for replacement?

I have sworn off Gates Water pumps,

Guess who just put a Gates water pump on a few months ago?  headbutt


You will be fine for a few years, all it will do is leak prematurely.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 10:35 pm

albertj wrote:
maybe this NOS Airtex, but you'll need to get it *now*.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airtex-Water-Pump-AW5075-Fits-GM-3-8L-3800cc-231-cu-in-V6-Gas-NEW-21D/151571019855

Alternatively I would get the Cardone: https://www.amazon.com/Cardone-58-531-Remanufactured-Domestic-Water/dp/B000C49PRI/

Last time I put on a WP was more than a decade ago, the dealer put on a GM OE unit, my WP was working but sounded like marbles in a can.  Parts counter guy said they run a real long time noisy.  I said I did not need the drama and order me one, put it on, and literally had forgotten about it until now.

Delco and China?  Mmmmm... might have to get over that, GM sells most of its cars in China now (makes them there too I think) - https://www.statista.com/statistics/304367/vehicle-sales-of-general-motors-by-country/.  China's local content contracts as a condition of doing business in the county pretty much guarantee that a good chunk of the spares business had to move to China.  Question is what spec will GM enforce?  The Chinese will hit or beat any spec you want to pay for, so the spec GM will get is the spec GM will pay for. Further point is that in the same way VW sells most of its vehicles outside Germany, GM sells most of its vehicles outside the US.  

A-1 Cardone has a special place with me, their rebulids do not inspire confidence but sometimes they are the only choice. Lets just say, if one of my suppliers primary line is Cardone I find another supplier:sad:

Thanks for the research, you helped solidify my decision to shop locally for a delco unit.

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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyWed Feb 19, 2020 10:37 am

Someone on a Corvette forum posted that the GM Delco OE units (from dealers, Amazon) are made in Canada, (they are likely actually Gates) and the Delco 'professional' aftermarket units are made in China.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c5-tech/3987997-need-advises-on-water-pump-and-thermostat.html

The Corvette pump is (very) different.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyWed Feb 19, 2020 8:06 pm

Not one to be caught up on analysis paralysis, past the point of my A-1 cardone and Gates bias, I pulled the trigger @ O'Reillys auto parts store like I would do for any other job, all I specified was AC Delco

This arrived, as predicated, Professional line is made in China

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Decent looking casting, nice machine surface

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Attractive but the Delco is nothing more then stickers

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Up close we have the cheap china laser printing, no matter, it will prob last long enough to forget about.

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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyWed Feb 19, 2020 11:19 pm

...cast iron impellers generally flow less and weigh more than steel ones - and supposedly quit sooner.

Here one list member argues for electric pump, others point out the iron vs steel experiences:

https://www.impalassforum.com/threads/waterpump-cast-iron-vs-steel-impeller.277685/

One voice in the wilderness actually sounds sensible:

https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=518982

My opinion -- I like the looks of the cast one but I wonder if they made the spindle oversize and heated the impeller before install (expansion) on the steel spindle or just pressed it on.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyFri Feb 21, 2020 7:40 pm

If I'm posting in the wrong spot just say so, I'm trying to keep all aspects of this revival in one place.

Never had a cooling issue so impeller design/efficiency never crossed the mind, I could see how a heavier cast impeller may shorten lifespan but can anyone recall seeing differing designs on the series II?

I saw no sign of heating to fit either end, I'm ASSuming its just pressed together.

Today:

Side by side old pump

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Almost forgot I modded (ground upon) the front bottom bolt when doing this last time to skip pulling the mount bracket

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Book calls for taking the thing all apart to clear the blower idler pulley (lower right barely in frame)

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Cleaned up ready to go back, yeah funky angle

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Another funky angle stuffing the modded bolt back in place

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Blower belt grooved idler pulley didn't feel great, not real loud but starting to throw rust dust, a trip to the parts car got something better, may have to revisit before torching the belt and being forced to pull the mount.

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2 hours, a can of brake cleaner, and a gallon of green antifreeze later (dexcool aint cool)

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