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97rivman Member

Name: alex Age: 26 Location: Crete,IL Joined: 2007-06-09 Post Count: 484 Merit: 0
 | Subject: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:23 pm | |
| Im at the point where stock suspension isnt going to keep me on the road for very long, the way i drive, so Im thinking about having some custom rear lateral arms made up eventually. The stock folded steel ones just wont due. Is anyone interested if i can get a race chassis company out here to fabricate a bunch of them. Im estimating probably $200. They will allow us to change the camber a little easier in the back, and should add a little more stability. |
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jax95riv Fanatic

Name: Jack Age: 50 Location: Oklahoma City Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 1058 Merit: 5
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:45 pm | |
| Are the suspension parts in the rear the same for 95-99? I know the struts are different, but I wasn't sure about the rest. |
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97rivman Member

Name: alex Age: 26 Location: Crete,IL Joined: 2007-06-09 Post Count: 484 Merit: 0
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:50 pm | |
| | jax95riv wrote: | | Are the suspension parts in the rear the same for 95-99? I know the struts are different, but I wasn't sure about the rest. |
Im not sure, Ive got a 97, so its right in between, i would imagine theyre the same. Just look under your rear bumper and if there are 2 long rods that connect from right above your exhaust to the wheel hubs, thats the parts im talking about. And maybe the rest that connects to the chassis. I want to do alot of custom work back there so I can try out a remote mount t-66 turbo....so I can keep my GEN V Supercharger and keep engine temps down but push more boost.....plus I dont want a regular muffler. |
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jax95riv Fanatic

Name: Jack Age: 50 Location: Oklahoma City Joined: 2007-01-14 Post Count: 1058 Merit: 5
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:43 pm | |
| Yep, I know where you're talking about. I have one that's loose or something. The one on the passenger side rattles over bumps. Do they have bushings that wear? |
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97rivman Member

Name: alex Age: 26 Location: Crete,IL Joined: 2007-06-09 Post Count: 484 Merit: 0
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:08 pm | |
| I dont know what wears, I just dont like the cheap design. |
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robotennis61 Junkie

Name: robotennis Age: 50 Location: las vegas Joined: 2007-12-17 Post Count: 3865 Merit: 72
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:14 am | |
| old post but..did you come up with anything? on the 95 the rear control arm is a nicely done all aluminium. the fronts are steel. is your year the opposite? |
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duckstu Apprentice
Name: Stuart Joined: 2009-11-23 Post Count: 86 Merit: 10
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:28 am | |
| I can't see how the rear lateral arms would help you change camber. I believe the camber is dictated by the two mounting points on the front of the trailing arm assembly (in '97 and up that's an aluminum piece).
The lateral link locates the hub side to side,...and can only effect minor changes in toe and the location of the wheels in the fender well.
There's probably a couple routes to go for stronger ones,...one thing is to box them in. They are "U" shaped,...and you can cut a strip of steel the width of the gap in the "U" and weld it onto the arm. Then paint it or have it powder-coated.
The next step might be to find firmer bushings that you can press into them.
But what I find is that 16" and even most 17" tires have many times more flex in their sidewalls than the lateral links possibly could. So unless you're going to 18" - 19" W-rated rubber,....messing wit the lateral links probably won't improve the feel much at all.
Or is the OP really concerned about breaking them? |
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albertj Aficionado

Name: Location: Finger Lakes of New York State Joined: 2007-05-31 Post Count: 4901 Merit: 100
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:44 am | |
| | robotennis61 wrote: | | old post but..did you come up with anything? on the 95 the rear control arm is a nicely done all aluminium. the fronts are steel. is your year the opposite? |
they were not talking about the control arms, rather the lateral arms which pivot off a chunk of steel on the body pan that's located about where the pumpkin would be on a RWD car.
Not sure what happened to the OP's idea - except that given sidewall flex, beefier lateral arms would buy you about nothing - BUT there have been adjustable lateral arms available for quite some time. One set is here:
[url]-- http://www.bmrfabrication.com/controlarms/GPaft.jpg[/url]
They are made for/known to the GP/Regal crowd. I don't think BMR would have a problem providing ones fitting the Riv, although I admit I have not asked. I imagine they would fit but I do not really know. They are $200 the pair. I imagine if we had the dimensions they could make nonadjustables like their W-body trailing arms for more like $100-$150/pair. I also wonder if the rear 2nd design lateral arms for the Park Avenue would fit. They are $67 each from Monster. I don't know the dimensions.
As it is - some time ago I scraped off rust, treated and repainted black my lateral arms, but they're rusting again. I would not be averse to replacing mine some time in 2010 with the adjustables or just ahve a set fabricated. Depends on how they look in the spring. Any of you have one of these break on you? Tell us what you did about it.
Albertj
PS want to surf? Look at the CTS-V parts including a stout strut tower brace:
http://www.bmrfabrication.com/CTS-Vpage.htm |
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duckstu Apprentice
Name: Stuart Joined: 2009-11-23 Post Count: 86 Merit: 10
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:05 pm | |
| | albertj wrote: |
As it is - some time ago I scraped off rust, treated and repainted black my lateral arms, but they're rusting again. I would not be averse to replacing mine some time in 2010 with the adjustables or just ahve a set fabricated. Depends on how they look in the spring. Any of you have one of these break on you? Tell us what you did about it.
Albertj |
Why adjustable arms? Are you wanting more adjustment than the stock arms have? Possibly to get some toe-in for road course racing? LOL |
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albertj Aficionado

Name: Location: Finger Lakes of New York State Joined: 2007-05-31 Post Count: 4901 Merit: 100
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:37 pm | |
| | duckstu wrote: | | albertj wrote: |
As it is - some time ago I scraped off rust, treated and repainted black my lateral arms, but they're rusting again. I would not be averse to replacing mine some time in 2010 with the adjustables or just ahve a set fabricated. Depends on how they look in the spring. Any of you have one of these break on you? Tell us what you did about it.
Albertj |
Why adjustable arms? Are you wanting more adjustment than the stock arms have? Possibly to get some toe-in for road course racing? LOL |
No adjustment or road racing; it just gets me out of having arms fabbed since the OE are now unobtainium. If I find NOS OE arms or decide to have BMR (or someone local) make a fixed-length set then I won't. I don't need drama, just probably need a set of arms next year or so.
Albertj
Albertj |
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duckstu Apprentice
Name: Stuart Joined: 2009-11-23 Post Count: 86 Merit: 10
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:54 pm | |
| | albertj wrote: |
the OE are now unobtainium. ....................... just probably need a set of arms next year or so.
Albertj |
Aaah. It should be really easy to make a set. They don't have any crazy bends to clear anything. All you'd need to do is find a bushing-style rod end for each side and simply weld a length of straight steel tube in between. Once you have the rod ends,...it should only take 20 minutes to do. You could get the steel tube stock from Lowes. Then have them powder-coated. . . |
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Rickw Expert
Name: Rick Age: 53 Location: Lancaster, MA Joined: 2008-09-13 Post Count: 5957 Merit: 96
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:54 pm | |
| Adjustable Heim Joint rod ends are available through the 4 Wheel Drive Truck market place and other places for not too much money, that will allow adjustments if necessary for toe. Welded into round stock, will work. Also, regular threaded bushing ends, less expensive, with poly bushings, welded into round or square stock will also work very well. |
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albertj Aficionado

Name: Location: Finger Lakes of New York State Joined: 2007-05-31 Post Count: 4901 Merit: 100
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:38 pm | |
| Hmmm.... maybe, duckstu.
What I don't know is if the steel in those suspension members is common nonstrutural (C 645), high strength of some sort () or if a pipe steel (such as A181) will do.
The suspension fabricators should know the answer to this. I do not; although the Lowe's stock steel would probably initially work and might well work long enough to suit my purposes, I am not certain if I want to assume the risk that it does/will not, not knowing the spec.
Do you happen to know anything about the strength specification of the stock steel pipe sold at Lowe's? I'm not saying you're wrong - your suggestion should work initially. I am not excited enough to do it, however, unless you can also show that the strength of the Lowe's stock tube meets the needed spec. Can you? I can't. I imagine that maybe fabbing these things out of a couple of the GM OE sway bars (they are hollow) might well work, if they will take the welding and a press-in bushing can be fitted. Might need to use different tube on the ends than the swaybar tube, depending on the bushings at least.
So anyway, duckstu, if you know something about the strength spec of that Lowe's tube - or can explain to me why it does not matter - please share it with the rest of us.
Albertj |
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Rickw Expert
Name: Rick Age: 53 Location: Lancaster, MA Joined: 2008-09-13 Post Count: 5957 Merit: 96
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:12 pm | |
| Cold Rolled ASTM 4130 and you can't go wrong. It's what they make roll bar's and many other things out of. Common at a metal fab shop |
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duckstu Apprentice
Name: Stuart Joined: 2009-11-23 Post Count: 86 Merit: 10
 | Subject: Re: Custom Rear Lateral/Trailing Arms??? Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:28 pm | |
| | Rickw wrote: | Adjustable Heim Joint rod ends are available through the 4 Wheel Drive Truck market place and other places for not too much money, that will allow adjustments if necessary for toe. Welded into round stock, will work. Also, regular threaded bushing ends, less expensive, with poly bushings, welded into round or square stock will also work very well. |
I'm of the belief that Heim joints are a bad idea on a street car. They work well initially (albeit with a good bit of road noise),...but very quickly they start to make a clicking noise. And as the elements eat away at them, they get very loud.
I had heim joint sway-bar end links on my Subaru,...and after a few months and 5,000+ miles they had between 1/16" and 1/8" of slop in them, and were making a lot of racket.
Poly bushings would be ideal. Although they need to be re-greased with waterproof moly lube every year.
I have seen these already pressed into rods for various applications, but haven't yet found them for sale by themselves.
The stock rods have a curve to them,...but I presume this isn't for clearance reasons. More likely it's to insure that if the car slides sideways into a curb, that the rod and wheel sacrifice themselves to save the subframe and chassis.
If you felt bold, you could just make them straight.
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