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PostSubject: Write-up: Wheel Bearing / Hub Assembly   Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:54 pm

Ive been searching rivperformance for half hour now and Im doin something wrong cuz I can't find if this is the hub I need bonk
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Help me out. I wanna get the right one.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:02 pm

You can't replace just the bearing, you must install a new hub assembly.

See parts list for part #: http://rivperformance.editboard.com/series-ii-engine-transmission-f4/part-number-listing-t45.htm

Are you sure you need a new one?

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:25 pm

Not 100% sure, no. my trac and abs lights r on. ill b replacing the struts real soon and i figure i'd go ahead and do that too while im already there. the shop fee is 80$/hr, 1 hr min. for diagnostics. i dont wanna pay that if i dont have too. w my miles i thought it a safe bet t go ahead and change them. Any thoughts how i should go about this???
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:39 pm

If they're original after 225k miles, might be a good idea. But the hubs are pricey at about $125 apiece. If you want to do the install yourself, no need to pay $80/hr. It's a medium level DIY repair.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:00 am

no, i meant 80$ for a diagnostic t tell me why my trac and abs light r on. they probably charge more than that for changin them out. im certainly capable of doin it in the front yard. thanks for the help, man!!! appreciated! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:18 am

I'll probably have some information to report in this area soon.

My ABS/TCS pump will cut on and off while the car is just sitting idling and on occasion while moving. After this occurs several times during a run cycle, the ABS/TCS is deactivated by the computer. Other than that, the ABS/TCS seem to work fine. (The only thing I can think of is a shorting somewhere or a wheel speed sensor failure) Additionally, there is extra cabin noise coming from the wheel(s) that sounds like a possible product of a failing hub bearing. The noise is a constant sound that is similar to the noise that you hear from the road to the tires but significantly louder and if I'm next to a wall or something that can reflect the sound more, I can hear kind of like a ticking sound that correlates to my speed and steering. Interestingly, there is no vibration problem to speak of. It still rides smoothly.

Side note, I'd been having a rather annoying issue of my brakes making some noise ever since I put them on and I'm hoping it is, in fact the hub(s)

I have two new hub assemblies for it and I hope to get them on by this weekend. I have a trip this weekend so I need to get it figured out by then or it's going to be an interesting trip.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:56 pm

thanks for sharin... i was gunna ask if u checked the wss connectors, but that wont explain the noise. Good luck w the work!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:13 pm







The front driver wheel bearing was definitely bad. WIth how much it was moving, I'm surprised it wasn't more noticable. This wheel was moving out of control once I jacked it up off the ground. The rotor was obviously wobbling all over too while the caliper which is fixed to the spindle was solid. That would reasonably explain my brake related noise.

Replacing that hub is not a terribly difficult job. Just have some PB blaster handy to help the hub assembly come out of the spindle and situate the car so you can steer the wheel all the way either direction. You need to do that in order to get to all three bolts that fix the hub to the spindle. The CV shaft is in the way otherwise. The axle nut is 34mm IIRC.

General side note for hub assemblies: When buying a replacement, get something that's good quality - don't go for the cheapy unless you are getting rid of the car. The OEM is always a safe bet but for aftermarket, get something that made in the US. The one I used is manufactured by SKF in the US and from what I understand SKF sources to Timkin for its bearings (on the US manufactured units, not the imported ones)

New lesson for the day. Don't wait for vibration to replace bearings on this car because apparently the wheel will fall off before any vibration occurs.

I do have one concern though - My ABS pump still cuts on and off for no reason as it did before... I Checked the passenger wheel and its tight so I guess there may be some more investigation. I haven't looked at the rear wheels...
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:32 pm

ok I have the same problem with the road noise coming from the hub, and after my alignment today, the mechanic told me that my bearings are starting to go. the thing is that this noise has been going on since I bought the car and I just figured thats how it was oops.....anyway, can someone post pix of what you have to do to replace this? it would be greatly appreciated.
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PostSubject: Help hub size?   Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:16 pm

I am buying some wheels for the rivi that come with hubcentric rings. I just need the hub size to get the correct rings. Anyone know what the measurement is for a 97' ?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:58 pm

Does anyone have the torque specs for those 3 bolts holding the hub on the the knuckle? My shop manual is MIA and I'm trying to put it back on. Thx.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:44 pm

IIRC it's something like 50. I'll go look it up.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:47 pm

I thought 50 was for the spindle nut? Thanks for the info.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:00 pm

Sorry AA, it's 70. Confirmed in the FSM.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:39 am

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Sorry, I went to bed.
Me too. No worries, car is still up, I'll go apply torque now.

Ok, so it's 70 lb ft for the 3 hub bolts, 107 lb ft for the spindle nut. Got it. Thanks again for the info!

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


'05 GTO 49k miles 0-60: 4.8s 16.9 avg MPG Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:03 pm

I'll be doing this either tomorrow, or the day after.......can someone give me a list of tools that I will need? I know I need a torque wrench over 100 lbs, and a 33mm deep socket. what else do I need? and also how did you guys get the hub out from the axle?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:04 pm

If you can wait till Wed morn, I will put up a full pictorial step by step. Can't promise it tonight, but I can put it up tomorrow night.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:08 pm

AA that would be just incredibly awesome! alright I'll wait until you get the writeup posted. and btw EXTREMELY APPRECIATED
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:22 pm

My contributions are merged with Derek's write-up on page one of this thread. Good luck!

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KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:46 am

Wow, I haven't seen this w/ pics. Nice combo AA!

I think we need to fix the torque values for the caliper bracket and caliper pins around step 15 though. 147 seems way too high!!
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:01 pm

You need a sharp chisel to separate the bearing from the steering bracket. Pound at the 3 points where the 3 mounting bolts go. Then you need a nice long pry bar to pull out the back of the bearing cover that will stay in the bracket. A 5 inch 2 prong puller is useful for pulling the bearing from the drive shaft. I used a 36mm socket I borrowed but it was awfully loose. A mechanic at Pep Boys said GM uses 34mm or 36 mm. I found you can not buy a deep enough socket anywhere so buy one on the internet for about $12. The ones in the stores are not deep enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:14 pm

Thx for the info, Riviera96. I didn't have any trouble separating the hub from the knuckle, but I've heard about that on some other cars. The correct socket size is 33 mm, but I use a 34mm just fine. They make a special type of deep well socket for axle nuts. Looks like this:



I figure if you're going to get a 33 mm socket, might as well get this type. You probably won't use it for much else.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:47 pm

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15) Rotor and Caliper Bracket (15mm, 147 ft lbs) This torque value seems high to me. I used 50 lb-ft for the caliper bolts.

I just had to change out a wheel stud and the gm manual says to torque the bolts for the caliper bracket to 137 ft lbs. I don't know if it would be different because of the f body brakes.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:52 pm

would a wheel bearing cause a car to drift side to side going down the highway at 80mph even though my steering wheel is held still?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Spindle / Wheel Bearing / Hub Replacement   Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:03 pm

Seems like the tie rod ends could cause that.

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KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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