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PostSubject: cold temps high idle?   Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:51 pm

being its cold out around hear 15-30 degrees. what would be a normal warnup idle speed when you first start up the car? mine has been 1200-1350 rpm for like five min. till i hit the gas then it goes dwon to nromal.

could it be the idle sylinoid not working right when cold out or is it normal to be doing what its doing?
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:07 pm

Depends on ambient temp. Mine's about 700-800 RPM when warm, about 1000-1100 when very cold. If it's super freezing out, expect slightly higher I'd guess.

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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:38 am

I run about 1200 rpm at a cold start these days, temps around zero to 20. No reason to let it run for 5 minutes though. Let it run for a minute or 2, then tap the gas, or put it in gear. I run about 2 minutes when it's zero outside to warm a bit, and it's still at high idle. Putting it in reverse to back out of the driveway seems to always knock it down to near normal idle speed.
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:16 am

You might prefer to drive gently after startup rather than sit.

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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:08 am

i usually let the car warm up 30 secs, then put her in gear and continue warming while driving slowly. I don't take the shortest route to the freeway, but let the engine get up to 180 or so before giving more than 1/4 throttle.

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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:21 pm

1200 is normal on a cold start for me. If you don't touch the gas it will stay there until the engine is near full temp, it seems to drop on it's own at about 150. If you put it in gear the idle will come down to the appropriate speed immediately.
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:18 am

I live less than a minute from Interstate, and my work is less than a minute from Interstate. Because of that very short distance to Interstate "mode", I feel it's necessary to allow my Riv to warm a bit longer at idle in my colder winter days. Spring/summer/fall is another story, as I'm near normal temps by the time I hit the highway.
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:07 am

That's a good idea, Dave. I hesitate to admit it, but the next place I live will be at least 2 minutes from any major freeway. Call me crazy, but warm-up time is warm-up time... I can easily make up for the delay once the car is up and running!

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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:43 pm

so it could be normal, but i have to wait about at least 3-5 min to tap the gas for the idle to go down. and it shifts hard into reverse and sometimes int drive. could that be the PCS presure control solenoid, throttle positioning sensor, or the torque converter cluch solenoid for the hight idle and shifting or what?

It will shift manly hard into reverse and on the highway into overdrive???

any sugestions on what to do or what it could be.


thanks for any help
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:53 pm

I would like to get everyones oppinion o this b/f i start penny and dimeing it to try and fix the problem, b/c we all no that can add up.

and with a newborn money and time is tight.

We all want everyones Riv to be runing in tiptop shape, b/c there are not a whole lot of us left you no what i mean>>>...
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:52 pm

robertwolf86 wrote:
so it could be normal, but i have to wait about at least 3-5 min to tap the gas for the idle to go down. and it shifts hard into reverse and sometimes int drive. could that be the PCS presure control solenoid, throttle positioning sensor, or the torque converter cluch solenoid for the hight idle and shifting or what?

It will shift manly hard into reverse and on the highway into overdrive???

any sugestions on what to do or what it could be.


thanks for any help


I'm at about 1300-1400 revs when cold, but I can kick it down after about 30 seconds. It will shift hard into R/D for me too (if I don't let the revs go down) but it's like doing a bit of a neutral drop when you put it in gear at 1400 rpm...especially with all the low end torque.

It's no big deal.
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:56 pm

aHHHHHH thats why it jerks when i do that.... godd im dumb........ i couldnt figure that out........ SLOW LEARNER here....
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:20 am

98riviera98 wrote:
aHHHHHH thats why it jerks when i do that.... godd im dumb........ i couldnt figure that out........ SLOW LEARNER here....


That's also why it says 'Brake to shift' in the cluster. The bright green light in the fuel or temp gague, I forget which.

The high RPM idle sounds right, because the engine is trying to warm itself up. When the temp gague goes up to about 150, after about 15 minutes, the RPM drops to the 700-1,000 range. It's cold up here, too.
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:28 am

well no really you have to push the brake to shift the car into gear.......... haha i didnt know there was a warning for it?
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PostSubject: Re: cold temps high idle?   Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:50 am

Well, if it jerks around than it's just the transmission engaging and starting to move. If it actually moves forward or backward, than the rpm's are too high and it's a slightly raced engine launch. All in all, it's just another symptom of the cold. I say get out 10 minutes before you have to, turn the engine on, and let it sit for a while. The jolt will be greatly diminished.
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