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PostSubject: fuel rails   Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:09 pm

reading up on them, they'll likely be my next stop, just curious what the preference is on aftermarket fuel rails, since zzp reccomends them for their ic's
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:24 am

RhinoFLA wrote:
reading up on them, they'll likely be my next stop, just curious what the preference is on aftermarket fuel rails, since zzp reccomends them for their ic's

Are you getting an IC at some point?

The other option are these:
http://www.prjperformance.com/
Very nice but I think the ZZP ones are better.

These are nice, and the price is nicer. Not as much bling as the ZZP rails. I like how they retain the stock FPR. So they are plug and play.
http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/w-body-store-fuel-rails-out-of-stock-p-154.html
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:59 am

I like the W-Body Store's. They are affordable, and half-way stock-looking.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:08 am

urbsnspices wrote:


These are nice, and the price is nicer. Not as much bling as the ZZP rails. I like how they retain the stock FPR. So they are plug and play.
http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/w-body-store-fuel-rails-out-of-stock-p-154.html

Out of stock though. scratch

So tell me, what would be the advantage of using these on a non-ic engine? Do the stock rails need to be replaced eventually?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:14 am

Stock fuel rails should last forever. The idea with fuel logs and rails that go around the sides of the blower is to allow room for an IC. There is a secondary advantage of the fuel being kept cooler because it does not have to pass over the blower, but it's only a theoretical improvement.

I was thinking of buying them for looks alone. Really simplifies the appearance of the engine.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:17 am

AA wrote:

I was thinking of buying them for looks alone. Really simplifies the appearance of the engine.


Yeah, I can see doing that.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:23 pm

yeah, eventually I wanna buy a zzp shortstack, but the fuel logs they reccomend getting were pretty expensive..
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PostSubject: Fuel Rails   Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:47 am

Wow, very nice. You meant to post this in the "For Sale" section, right?

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:05 pm

AA wrote:
Wow, very nice. You meant to post this in the "For Sale" section, right?
depends on demand... lol
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:06 pm

Demand depends on price.

We know the quality level and want some though.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:57 pm

well the problem is that most probably dont want to do what these entail... they are made specifically for an aftermarket fpr and made for parallel flow with complete delete of the OE plastic line with -6 feed and return, to the -8 rails (.700 id) they can be made a series flow arangment but you increase the speed at which the fuel flows past the injector inlets...i'd wrather slow it down with a paralel flow setup...

these are the little one's too lol... the one's going on eric's whippledRiv and the 442 are -10 (.780 bore id) extrusions with L32 fuel rail pulsation dampners inside... parallel flow also but with -10 to the Y and -8 from the y to the rails and fpr, -8 return

we gotta control pulsation with 150lbhr injectors and e85 on the street and methanol (some nitro? lol) at the track more fuel volume and the L32 dampners should work wonders
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:11 pm

here's the pump that'll be feeding the riv's fuel system...
WELDON 2035

got -12&-10?


i wonder what will be louder at idle...the whipple...or the pump happy
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:31 pm

mmmmm i want a pair for a S1
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:03 am

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mmmmm i want a pair for a S1
sure...but ya have to put SII heads on it lol

i'd need the injector centerline spacing and angles to start...
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PostSubject: Fuel Rails   Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:31 pm

Who was the one that designed the billet fuel rails?? ZZP has the new style IC available in two weeks and the stock rails pose clearance issues.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:03 pm

it was Turbocharged400sbc
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:20 pm

I just received these from ZZP and I'm pretty impressed. I don't really need fuel rails, but this was only $135 and I am installing new injectors, plus I have two stock rails + rockers I can return to ZZP for a $70 core.

The powder-coating looks very well done. I just hope they fit:




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'98 SC Riviera 268k miles 298 HP/370 TQ 0-60: 5.79s ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 4087 lb 20.1 avg MPG Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:35 pm

nice, I plan on getting the same rails when I do my injectors.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:16 pm

AA is lying he is going intercooled right??????? wink
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:20 pm

Not any time soon. If I can get my car to run KR free again, I'll be happy for a while. It's nice to have that option, though.

I think it might be possible to remove the blower without taking the rails off. Maybe there's a ported blower in the future.

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'98 SC Riviera 268k miles 298 HP/370 TQ 0-60: 5.79s ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 4087 lb 20.1 avg MPG Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:35 pm

These are supposed to be a direct swap from stock? I might want to go that route whenever I get to the injectors.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:37 pm

I will soon find out. They are actually modified from stock rails. My concern is connecting the lines, but I want to use braided stainless anyway.

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'98 SC Riviera 268k miles 298 HP/370 TQ 0-60: 5.79s ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 4087 lb 20.1 avg MPG Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:41 pm

*New version works with all intercoolers or without an intercooler. No need to remove the blower to install or remove the fuel rails.

**Not recommended for cars with TOG headers as the crossover gets too close to the fuel line. Pacesetters are OK though.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Rails   Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:58 pm

I can guarantee that setup will not work with an IC... at least the full IC. You might be able to get away with it on a short stack IC. You might be able to extend the SS lines to fit around the SC. The GTPs have a little more hood clearance than our rivs...
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