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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:12 pm

Merged your post to the Modding 101 FAQ thread. Give it a read through, might answer some questions.

INTENSE Racing built a Bonneville SSEi (Project 8-ball) several years ago that closely documents what you can expect from modding a G-body w/3800 SC V6 Riviera. I basically modeled my upgrade plan after this car. Note that with Project 8-ball, except for headers, no exhaust mods were necessary until making more than 420 HP.


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3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:00 pm

This is exactly what I am looking for..... I think.
The INTENSE™ Stage 3 L67/L32 Heads & Cam Package includes:
CHP-673 - INTENSE™ Stage 3 L67/L32 CNC Cylinder Heads
CAM-673 - INTENSE™ Stage 3 Blower 3800 Camshaft
3800-JPP-TCS - JPP Single Chain Timing Set
VLS-875 - Comp Cams "OE R Series" Hydraulic Roller Lifters
PRE-705 - INTENSE™ Extreme Duty Oil-Restricted High-Performance Pushrods
HSK-671 - ARP Head Stud Kit
HGP-052 - Cometic/INTENSE™ .052" MLS Head Gaskets
CIK-L67_32 - INTENSE™ L67 or L32 Cam Installation Kit
GMH-TCD - GM Timing Chain Dampener
RIK-671 - INTENSE™ Rocker Installation Kit
PCM-xxxxx-xxxx - INTENSE™ Stage 3 Custom Powertrain Control Module

IMPORTANT NOTES:

Click Here for Adam Zabkar's dyno chart. His car put down 358WHP, or almost 450 crank horsepower with this stage 3 setup and running on 93 octane pump gas.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:47 pm

charlieRobinson wrote:
This is exactly what I am looking for..... I think.
The INTENSE™ Stage 3 L67/L32 Heads & Cam Package includes:
CHP-673 - INTENSE™ Stage 3 L67/L32 CNC Cylinder Heads
CAM-673 - INTENSE™ Stage 3 Blower 3800 Camshaft
3800-JPP-TCS - JPP Single Chain Timing Set
VLS-875 - Comp Cams "OE R Series" Hydraulic Roller Lifters
PRE-705 - INTENSE™ Extreme Duty Oil-Restricted High-Performance Pushrods
HSK-671 - ARP Head Stud Kit
HGP-052 - Cometic/INTENSE™ .052" MLS Head Gaskets
CIK-L67_32 - INTENSE™ L67 or L32 Cam Installation Kit
GMH-TCD - GM Timing Chain Dampener
RIK-671 - INTENSE™ Rocker Installation Kit
PCM-xxxxx-xxxx - INTENSE™ Stage 3 Custom Powertrain Control Module

IMPORTANT NOTES:

Click Here for Adam Zabkar's dyno chart. His car put down 358WHP, or almost 450 crank horsepower with this stage 3 setup and running on 93 octane pump gas.

Something isnt quite adding up. The dyno chart shows Adam making 12-14lbs of boost. the cam and head wouldnt do that. what else is he running?

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:00 pm

I agree. He's running a much smaller pulley in addition to the heads/cam package. Also, that's a lot of money to drop all at once, even though you do get a lot of power gains. Most of us would find it more fiscally practical to build up the power over time by adding a few mods at a time, starting with the bolt-ons. There are lots of advantages in doing this. 1) easier to finance, 2) shorter installs, less down time, 3) more power/torque starting out - with less investment up front, 4) easier to troubleshoot problems.

That mod plan also doesn't consider daily fuel economy, so be sure you want a drag car before you invest, especially if you drive considerable distances. Good luck!


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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:03 pm

You will also have to build up the transmission to hold that level of power/torque.

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:54 pm

so what would you guys do? You have an extra series II 3800 SC with 67k on it.
It seems to me the best thing i could do is to rebuild/clean it and upgrade it then swap it for the 127k engine that is currently in the car.
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PostSubject: L67 Mods   Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:48 am

I know this has been discussed but I need some direction. So far I have FWI, 3" Dp, Ap104s,B&M Shiftplus and 160* t-stat. What's next?
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:55 am

You've done all the little stuff, now it's time for a mod you will really notice: Modular Pulley System (MPS) for the supercharger. Lets you increase boost for increased HP & torque. But read this before proceeding:

http://rivperformance.editboard.com/t3656-faq-smaller-sc-pulley-what-size

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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:30 am

Next is to increase airflow. This is where it gets tricky. Read the faq about smaller pulleys before proceeding. Scanning and careful consideration. Either a cam or rockers to increase valve lift is a must before making the pulley too small. You can get decent results from a slightly smaller pulley IF you have no KR now, so scan scan scan.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:16 pm

What can I use to scan for kr, do they make gauges?
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:37 pm

I am using PCM bluetooth adaptor to android torque app. I get real time feed back as quick as 1 millisecond. From what I understand this is the most efficient way to monitor.

Keyword is monitor, I cant tune but I can watch with this setup.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:24 pm

SuperRivL67 wrote:
What can I use to scan for kr, do they make gauges?
http://rivperformance.editboard.com/t31-faq-do-i-need-a-scan-tool#33

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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:24 pm

I found a app for the iPhone called Dash Commander. Now I just need the cord. I also just picked up a press on pulley and puller on craigslist for 100 new. The pulley has no paper work but the outside diameter is 3.6" so is this possibly a 3.4 pulley? He said he purchased the with the zzperformace stage 1 kit years ago
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:41 pm

It probably is 3.4". Measure across the middle part to find correct size.

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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


'05 GTO • 49k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
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PostSubject: very first mods   Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:07 pm

So many idea on my stock 98 riviera, and i'm losing my mind because I can not decide where to start, i need a therapist lol. what did everyone usually start with first?
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:27 pm

Start with getting knock under control. Use premium gas. 180 t-stat, cooler plugs, scanning for KR would be a good next step if you plan to go further.

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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:19 pm

i figured i should use premium. check. colder plugs.. autolite 104? or 605. the scanning part is something i dont really understand how to do HOWEVER im sure someone around here in VA with their boosted cars knows something lol
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:56 pm

Scanning isn't too hard if you have the right tools. Here's a really good deal on a used LS1M tool. It's an older unit, but for $60, you can track KR and lots of other things. A good beginner mod, imo.

http://rivperformance.editboard.com/t9332-ls1m-scanner-for-sale-60

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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Need a little direction MODS   Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:33 pm

So far im running
3.4" pulley, Accel 8mm wires, Ap104's, 3" Dp, 4"FWI 180 t-stat, B&m Electronic Shift Kit.
According to dash command im hitting 12psi at around 5500rpms. I want to try and make a little more power any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:43 pm

High lift (1.9:1) roller rockers would be my suggestion. You will get a power boost around 20 HP above 3500 RPM, while retaining driveability and good MPG at normal RPM.

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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:09 am

Will i need to swap valve springs? id like to keep the stock ones the heads have been rebuilt idk how long ago
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:36 am

You can keep your springs if you use rockers with lower lift (1.8:1). Not as much HP gain, though.

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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


'05 GTO • 49k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:56 am

SuperRivL67 wrote:
So far im running
3.4" pulley, Accel 8mm wires, Ap104's, 3" Dp, 4"FWI 180 t-stat, B&m Electronic Shift Kit.
According to dash command im hitting 12psi at around 5500rpms. I want to try and make a little more power any insight would be greatly appreciated.

scan scan scan. I ran a similar setup long ago and had a lot of KR slowing me down. Without rockers I couldn't run a 3.4 pulley without removing a lot of timing from WOT, hurting performance. I would be willing to bet switching to a 3.5 pulley will actually speed you up a little right now. Hopefully you installed an MPS hub.

But the only way to find out if you have a lot of KR (knock retart) is to scan. Lots of good info in this thread.
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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:46 pm

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SuperRivL67 wrote:
So far im running
3.4" pulley, Accel 8mm wires, Ap104's, 3" Dp, 4"FWI 180 t-stat, B&m Electronic Shift Kit.
According to dash command im hitting 12psi at around 5500rpms. I want to try and make a little more power any insight would be greatly appreciated.

scan scan scan. I ran a similar setup long ago and had a lot of KR slowing me down. Without rockers I couldn't run a 3.4 pulley without removing a lot of timing from WOT, hurting performance. I would be willing to bet switching to a 3.5 pulley will actually speed you up a little right now. Hopefully you installed an MPS hub.

But the only way to find out if you have a lot of KR (knock retart) is to scan. Lots of good info in this thread.

I agree. How much kr are you getting with that setup?

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PostSubject: Re: FAQ: Modding 101 - How to Increase Acceleration Performance   Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:24 pm

I agree with scanning suggestions. I assumed your Dash Command could display KR, but maybe not.

A good way to scan for KR and also get a new mod is the Aeroforce Interceptor gauge. It looks like just another gauge, but gives full scanning and some logging capability. But you can only scan, not tune:

http://rivperformance.editboard.com/t3986-faq-aeroforce-interceptor-scan-gauge?


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'98 SC Riviera • 268k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180Ί t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch


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