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PostSubject: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyWed Feb 21, 2007 8:01 pm

Help. I'm putting in a FWI and it took much longer than expected to enlarge the hole for the cone filter (7in K&N). Since it is so late, I put it back together as a hot air intake just for tonight. (cone filter plus 90 degree elbow). I don't have the air sensor in the pipe AM I GOING TO SCREW UP ANYTHING IF I DRIVE IT LIKE THAT TOMORROW???
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyWed Feb 21, 2007 8:28 pm

As long as you don't red line at every light you'll be fine.

What hole were you enlarging? pale
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyWed Feb 21, 2007 8:35 pm

When you pull out the air box there is a square hole, 3X4" I'm guessing. Anyhow, I have to make it about a 6" round hole for the cone filter to drop through it and that is some tough stuff to cut through. I chain drilled part and used a cutting disk for the rest. I need to clean up the hole a little more but it is too late to run the air compressor in the garage. (I'm just trying to be considerate of the neighbors).
I wasn't sure if I would throw a code or something by not having that sensor in there?
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyWed Feb 21, 2007 10:41 pm

If you go in through the fender, you don't have to cut any metal.

You can run with the sensor plugged in outside the intake, HVAC system may not work properly.

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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyWed Feb 21, 2007 10:52 pm

Even if I go in through the fender, I'm using 4" PVC. There is no way to fit it through that little square hole...
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyWed Feb 21, 2007 11:04 pm

yea, i think as long as the AIT sensor is pluged in and sends info the the pcm you won't get a code.
and i was going to do the FWI but i ran into some problems, like how the 3" rubber reducer is suposed to fit over the throttle body, it's like a .5" difference. and i didnt have any tools to cut the index card size opening in the fender. maybe the 97+ had a larger hole in the fender. they do have a different part # for the air filter, but i think they are the same dimentions. scratch

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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 8:33 am

This is why Rob chose to use 3.5" tubing. That's the diameter of the TB anyway, so no reducer needed, just a 3.5" coupler. The fit to the TB with mine is perfect.

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3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 12:34 pm

I didn't have to enlarge the hole that much... I took off the wheel and removed a couple of plastic fastners and put it on through the fender.

After enlarging the hole (I used a 4" grinder), apply a little tremclad rustproof paint to the edges.

Aaron, I don't think there is such a thing as 3.5 inch abs or pvc pipe.
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 1:17 pm

There might not be 3.5" plastic pipe, but I have a 3.5" silicone coupler, so would think there'd be a 4" to 3.5" adaptor available (responding to Matthew's comment re: fitting the tube to TB).

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 1:42 pm

i probably could have cut some of the 3" coupler to make it work but it wouldnt be as strong with only 1/8 or 1/16 inch wall connecting it to the TB.
jason how did you get the 3" side of the coupler over the TB?

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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 2:19 pm

Is the TB on the Series I smaller? Because my 4"-3" reducer slid on NO PROB. scratch

Oh BTW, I put the factory filter back on the car this morning. I didn't want to take any chances. I'll finish the project tonight.

I think I like the larger hole idea better. It's easier access to the filter and the boot still covers the hole, so it's all good.
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 2:30 pm

I don't remember having any trouble. Try heating it with a hairdryer and if that doesn't work, use a pocket knif to "skim" a bit of the inside diameter out.
If I were to do it again, I would use a silicone adapter because of the heat of the engine.
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 2:39 pm

Why are we trying to make a 3" hose fit over a 3.5" TB opening? It's only going to slip off, or worse it will weaken if you try to reduce the material. Why not use the correct size? 3.5" to 4" silicone adapter available here: http://www.turbohoses.com/Transition.htm

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
Because free
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 3:46 pm

to be quite honest u arent going to hurt ur engine by running it without a sensor but u will get a CHECK ENGINE light
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Feb 22, 2007 4:18 pm

I ran mine without the sensor and didn't get an SES light. The only way I knew was the AC stopped working.

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
Because free
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Mar 29, 2007 6:11 pm

HELP WITH FWI P1010578
This is the finished product, but my question is: I noticed some intake pipes are wrapped to protect them from the engine heat, Does that make a significant difference?
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Mar 29, 2007 6:17 pm

Not in my opinion. While it will delay the tube from heating up, insulation will also keep it warm for longer once it's warmed up. The important thing is to locate the filter in a place where it can pull in cooler air than that in the engine bay.

Looks really good, btw!! How does it sound?

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
Because free
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Mar 29, 2007 6:30 pm

OFFF TOPIC BUTTTTTTTT how did u install that Uppper radiator hose LOL its really hard to get at for me ??
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Mar 29, 2007 6:45 pm

travis, did you pull the fiberglass overlay on the radiator?

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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Mar 29, 2007 6:46 pm

HMMMMMMMMMMM ahhh thanks MANN
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Mar 29, 2007 6:46 pm

Mr.Riviera wrote:
travis, did you pull the fiberglass overlay on the radiator?

isnt it that huge piece of metal over the top of the radiator???
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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Mar 29, 2007 6:48 pm

its not metal, but yea. i think there are 4-6 bolts holding it on

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PostSubject: Re: HELP WITH FWI   HELP WITH FWI EmptyThu Mar 29, 2007 6:52 pm

Mr.Riviera wrote:
its not metal, but yea. i think there are 4-6 bolts holding it on

wow thank YOU SOOOOOOO much now i can FINALLY put that on WOOOOOOOOhoooooooooooo.... ALSO how much Coolant leaks out or if any ???
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