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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:56 pm

hmmmm so can anyone send me a link to clubgp.com i cant seem to find the nitrous write up there??
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:08 pm

I have quite a bit of N20 experience, but on older engines not these. However. If you spray before your MAF sensor (far enough away for the N20 to blend with the air) the MAF should be able to recalculate and provide the right amount of fuel. From what I've READ there is a limit to this, about a 50 HP shot is all the MAF can compensate for safely. You can do some research on clubgp or 3800pro websites about N2O. Plenty of info over there.
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:09 pm

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:37 pm

quote: "the MAF should be able to recalculate and provide the right amount of fuel."

If this were the case, the MAF could likewise calculate the extra air pushed in by a 2.8" pulley, correct?

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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:38 pm

hhmmmmmm so AA are u saying this is FALSE???? lmao
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:46 pm

Careless use of N2O is dangerous. But if you start with a 20 shot and work your way up... scanning all the time and whatnot... you'll know when you reach the limit of your MAF. I asked questions and read lots of posts about it that's what I gathered.

The problem with a 2.8 pulley is the volume of air being pulled in. You get start to exceed the flow capability of the stock MAF. I don't know if the N2O users are hitting that with an AFC or not. An AFC may clear that up. Do lots of research before you juice one of these things.

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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:58 pm

I'm just saying I wouldn't do it until I know more. What works on a N/A engine doesn't always apply to F/I. Agree that scanning and proceeding slowly is the way to go.

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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:07 pm

so do u guys really think i should first buy a scanner before doing anything else???? because in ur mod timeline AA it says that u did a 3.4 inch pulley pretty early on would it be ok for me to do a 3.4 then get a scanner and then go for nitrous??
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:18 pm

so would you need a LS1 MAF for N20?

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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:23 pm

what do u mean by this??? are u talking about the placement for the Jet>>???
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:49 am

get a scanner first. if your car isn't running top notch now adding a pulley or nitrous can cause severe damage to your car .
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:14 am

quote: "because in ur mod timeline AA it says that u did a 3.4 inch pulley pretty early on"

My mod time-line reflects my mistakes as well as my successes. That was a few years ago when I didn't know any better. If you want to have audible knock as I did, follow in my footsteps...

The correct order to mod is listed in the FAQ: http://rivperformance.editboard.com/Series-II-3800-Supercharged-c2/Series-II-FAQ-f19/How-do-I-make-more-power-t23.htm

I don't list N2O because it's not a full-time mod, it's only a temporary power boost. Most of us are interested in power that can be used to improve the drivability of the car, not just to win a single race. Not knocking N2O, just explaining why it's not included in the mod order.

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:50 am

All this said... personally I wouldn't add NItrous to one of these engines.
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:54 am

agree Same here. Not because it doesn't work, or that it's unsafe, but just the idea. It's just not my style. I want power that stays with me while I'm carving through a hundred miles of mountain roads, not a bottle that lets me beat a Vette only when it's full... and lets the same Vette smoke you once it's empty.

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KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:08 am

hahhaha true i dont wanna be a :RICER:
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:19 am

No one will call you a ricer, I was just sharing my opinion.

Consider two cars. One has a 350hp "all-motor". The other has a 250hp engine with a 100 shot of nitrous. Say the two cars race and it ends in a tie... Which car gets more of your respect?

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:20 am

hahaha true but im not gonna do a 100 shot maybe a 40-50 shot tops starting at a 25 shot plus jets are 4$ a piece tops
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:22 am

Ok, but a question: when you beat this SRT-4, are you going to tell him your using the shot?

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KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:24 am

nope i may be hiding the jet to the best of my ability idk i will 4sure let u guys know u kno i will !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:54 pm

Hmmm. My prediction?

:boom:

but good luck!
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:07 pm

how do you know the srt-4 doesnt have a hidden N20?

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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:23 pm

he's the type to go bragging to everyone that he has aa blow off valve!!! and i kno he doesnt
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:21 am

How do you know this guy even has an SRT-4? Let me guess, he has a red debadged neon.

A neon SE is a 4 cly turd. Last I checked the SXT was also a turd. A neon SXT can look identical to the SRT, so dont assume a hood scoop means an SRT4. Further more, I see that you are 16, and your opponent is prolly also 16. Again evidence that he prolly does not have an SRT4 which had an MSRP 9000 dollars higher then the SE. Anyway learn what an SRT4 engine looks like and then look at his.

Second point: even if it is an SRT4, it is also a stick and a turbo and FWD. It is very hard to launch a turbo on command because of the spool time. It is easy to launch an SC'd car on command, instant boost. Then he has to get his shifts perfect, whereas your PCM will be shifting for you.

Third: You are a minor, and if you get caught racing it is prolly a misdemenor, which could mean you lose your license till you are 18-21.
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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:06 am

^^^Words of wisdom.

I can believe a 16 yo has an SRT-4, but it would have been given to him, and insurance paid by mom & dad. No 16 yo (obeying the law) should be able to afford owning and operating that car on their own. Parents are giving their kids fast cars because the kids ask. I know a sales exec who bought his 16 yo son a WRX STi.

Agreed the SRT-4 is hard to launch and shift. We have the advantage of letting the PCM do a lot of the work. On the other hand, our OEM shift points and trans tune is not ideal for racing. We must tune the PCM to get good transmission performance, where an SRT-4 owner can tap into it if he knows how to drive the car.

Being caught racing is a big ball-buster for anyone, but especially a kid. I am glad in a way that I was not interested in racing cars until a few years ago. As a kid I was content with cruising around in a pimped out '70s Chrysler. Mark my words, as soon as I bought the Riv, the tickets came, and insurance soared. Many lessons learned driving this car. I'm a much more "active" driver now as a result.

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KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: NOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:47 pm

Yeah there are 16yo guys out there with srt4s, but I am willing to bet there are 2x as many who claim their SE is an srt4. tongue Point being know what your opponent has before you race.
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