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 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission

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PostSubject: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyFri Jul 04, 2008 8:08 pm

The skinny here is doing the swap from the 96 4T60 to the more easily moddable 4T65. And in Oldsmans' case..from a dead trans to a working trans.

I arrived in NYC yesterday and Enriques car with dead transmission went under the knife about 7pm. Three lunatics worked through the night to swap transmissions, swap pcm's to a 97 and rewire the necessary transmission wiring.

Thanks go out to TType Riviera for wiring diagrams, Corey for some general info...Bonnie buddys, Aaron and Mike. Aaron did the swap in the past on his car and Mike hit the 97 FSM's for a wire that wasn't in the 97 Riviera PCM connector listing. The help from them was invaluable.

The happy report is our only hang up when trying to turn the key was the car not starting due to it not seeing itself as being in park. There is a metal piece that sits on top and operates via the shifter cable. Between the shifter cable bracket and that piece.. the car thought it was in reverse and wouldn't start. Some quick diagnosing and it was rolling through the shift pattern.

Enrique is finishing up the fix up.

More to come with pictures from him.

edit.. Enrique is done and the car starts correctly. Test drive soon to come.
PS..hey Corey.... your gear selector armature is from a 4T60 cool
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyFri Jul 04, 2008 8:24 pm

Nice....

Can you do a write-up?
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyFri Jul 04, 2008 8:36 pm

ok nice to hear
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyFri Jul 04, 2008 10:11 pm

Gonna let Oldsman do the write up as soon as we can get him away from the car. He didn't have 3rd gear or a supercharger belt for quite some time.
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyFri Jul 04, 2008 10:17 pm

BillBoost37 wrote:
Gonna let Oldsman do the write up as soon as we can get him away from the car. He didn't have 3rd gear or a supercharger belt for quite some time.

I didn't know Oldsman was Amish!
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 10:14 am

Nice Job guys!!!!!!!!!!!! glad i could help... thos damn range selectors suck though, did you have to ohm it to the right spot??
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 10:54 am

TType_Riviera wrote:
Nice Job guys!!!!!!!!!!!! glad i could help... thos damn range selectors suck though, did you have to ohm it to the right spot??

No shocked we just used the one from the 96 4t60.
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 2:10 pm

No, the range selector switch actually has a dot on the inner ring that lines up with a line on the switch.

But the selector actuator (little armature) was the issue.

We nabbed a picture of the dot and line on the PNP that need to line up.
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptySat Jul 05, 2008 2:21 pm

Congrats! looking foward to the writeup.

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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyMon Jul 07, 2008 7:15 am

All the road tests were successful and overall this swap was easy.

Things we had on hand that made it easy were:
PCM and trans pinouts for both years
The new trans year pcm and trans connectors with some wiring.
The axles were researched for inboard and outboard splines as well as length (rockauto is great for this)
Some extra wire, soldering iron and electrical tape.

Things we found along the way.
I don't have good memory skills and got the wrong side axle from the JY for cheap.
The trans armature that is moved by the cable for gear selection depends on the vehicle.
Three guys in a super clean shop can lose a subframe washer.
The trans shop that put the last rebuild in didn't replace the backwards bolt. (Behind engine. Unlike the rest of the bolts that go in from the trans to engine, this one goes into the engine first and holds to the trans.)

Overall I'd rate the project pretty easy from a technical standpoint. Mechanically it's the same as changing a transmission. Using Deekster Caddy's writeup it's a snap.
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyMon Jul 07, 2008 11:45 am

As long as we follow the proper steps and do things carefully. Next time we need to swap trans, I believe we may be able to do this by our selfs!

As long as we can call Bill when we scrwe uo or forget something!
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyMon Jul 07, 2008 1:07 pm

Hmm found this posted on another forum I'm on. Wonder if Olds is ok with it being posted here.

oldsman105 wrote:
Dropping the subframe and putting it to the side, By hanging it off by one ball joint. (Derek..this is the way....Bill)
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_1997
Picture of Bill
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Transmission Removed and old connector in the picture
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_1996
My TC which sounds like a Maracka
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_1993
My old Transmission Removed ( fluid is not thee nicest looking)
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what are we doing?
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_1999
Failing at repairing my rear mount
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_2000
Driver side mount is diffrent. Small modification.
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_2003
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All hooked up ( We were required to add 6 more wires to the harness)
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_2009
Fire up after Bill nailed down a Nuetral safety switch issue
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_2007
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_2011
Running!
96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission IMG_2008

Temps stayed at about 180-190 degrees depending on driving.

This will do . I will attempt to make a writeup.
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyMon Jul 07, 2008 2:55 pm

I was getiing to it. I got send out on a errand at work.
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyTue Jul 08, 2008 7:34 am

Just busting your chops....

How's it running?
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyTue Jul 08, 2008 8:39 am

BillBoost37 wrote:
Just busting your chops....

How's it running?


Like a champ. Will be ordering my Shift kit next before I grow to accustomed to the luxury shifts its making now.
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PostSubject: Re: 96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission   96 Riv with a 4T65 transmission EmptyTue Jul 08, 2008 9:15 am

Aaron.. can you coach us on DHP shift times and tables?
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