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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:54 pm

Never herd of them eiter.
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:17 pm

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Sounds like garbage to me

Oh, you've heard them?

Have any of you heard of Butler TubeDriver? Rainbow? Digital Designs? Peerless? TC Sounds? Audiomobile? Adire? These are all very expensive, audiophile brands that aren't marketed to the mass consumer. Doesn't mean they're garbage.

RE stands for Resonant Engineering. They have a sister company called U.S. Amps. Ever heard of them?

The simple reason I know they aren't garbage: they aren't afraid to publish real specs. I also know people who have used these. RE is one of many brands out there that aren't so popular, but they are alive for a good reason. Competitors and SQ enthusiasts will pay for good product. They don't need to mass market., word gets around.

The link is for their 2nd to lowest line. Here's something they're famous for:



It weighs 92 lbs, takes 2000 watts, and basically eats JL W7s. Buy one here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RE-AUDIO-XXX12D2-12-4000w-CAR-SUBWOOFER-SUB-XXX12-D2_W0QQitemZ280270878903QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280270878903

If they can make that, how good do you think their other lines are? More info:

http://reaudio.com/specs.html#sp_xxx

You can choose to ignore the esoteric brands, or you can be glad you know they exist.

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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:30 pm

As I said, I hadn't heard of them. I wasn't going to say they're crap - I know there are many audiophile brands in home audio that might sound like cheap crap. Here are some high end audio brands you probably haven't heard of (And some you may have): Lazarus, Linn, Niles, Vandersteen, Magnepan, Martin Logan, Apogee, Bryston, Thiel - all really high end stuff.

And what a lot of people who've never heard of them say "Who the hell are they?" and usually something like "Are they as good as [Bose, Harmon Kardon, Denon, or another well known upper scale audio company]?". With good suspicion though, there are some really cheapo brands out there that try to trick people by making them think almost specifically because they're so strange sounding and no one has heard of them that they're good. I still find myself suspicious of some companies until I've been given proof, however of the brands I listed I know them all to be esoteric high quality brands.

With car audio this is REALLY important. A lot of brands seem relatively unknown and try to portray this similar image of "Hey, we're better than the other stuff because no one has heard of us!" but they aren't always. One guy locally is trying to sell some 15" subwoofers by a brand called Volcano. Now this is a bad example - the name is cheesy as hell and no one would buy that (Hence why he hasn't sold any too). But see, it's easy to happen.

AA, that's the only reason I'm suspicious. Usually when buying esoteric brands the prices are also well above the average price from the well-known brands which helps indicate their status. I've never seen them priced around their competitors products - at least I've never seen such in the home audio industry. The only bad thing - I'd have to order it online. I can't examine it before I buy it and a lot of car audio sellers won't warrant sales of their products online - they say to go to an authorized retailer to buy them and no where else. Would this not apply to these guys as well?
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:35 pm

I can say that I have heard of Adire. The subs they made pound hard. My friend had 15 bramaha in his car and it was intense.
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:37 pm

If I remember right my friend had two logic sound labs I think is the name and they sounded pretty good.
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:36 pm

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The link is for their 2nd to lowest line. Here's something they're famous for:
It weighs 92 lbs, takes 2000 watts, and basically eats JL W7s. Buy one here:

Is this a typo??
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:43 pm

Nope. It's a 72 lb sub + packaging materials.

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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:15 pm

the jackhamers he was looking at were the 4500 series the 5500s sound much better.
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:27 pm

Subwoofer specs can tell you a lot about a drivers potential. These specs are critical when picking subs:

Fs: resonance, the frequency a sub likes to naturally vibrate. important factor in how low a sub can play. Lower is better, larger subs tend to have lower Fs.

Power rating: thermal limit that a speakers coil can safely handle without failure. In a small enclosure, it can limit a sub's ability to get loud. Higher is usually better - if you have the power. Otherwise, the weight of a bigger coil can lower efficiency and accuracy of the sub.

Xmax: one-way excursion, stroke, or "throw". Distance the cone and suspension can safely travel while maintaining linear (low distortion) response. The mechanical limit of the driver, and limiting factor in large sealed, IB, and some vented enclosures. Longer strokes make louder and more accurate bass.

Compare these models:

JL 10W0($100) fs: 24hz, pwr: 125w, xm: 8.6mm

JL 10W7($500) fs: 30hz, pwr: 750w, xm: 24mm

Mtx 10" jackhammer($100): fs: 38hz, pwr: 200w, xm: 9.4mm

Mtx 22" jackhammer($5000): fs: 32hz, pwr: 6000w, xm: 63.5mm

RE sr10($200): fs: 25hz, pwr: 300w, xm: 18mm

RE XXX 12"($700): fs: 21hz, per: 2000w, xm: 54mm

Look over these numbers carefully and tell me what you see.

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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:41 pm

I will say that MTX thunder 5500s sound very good. I have one in my Lumina and did it very well and kept me happy.
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:12 pm

I have two of the 5500s thunder 12s in my car in the thunder box that is made for these subs they sound very nice clear with alot of bass! I had them for about two years and they still sound as good as the day I got them!
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:34 pm

What do you guys think about this setup?
http://louisville.craigslist.org/pts/860996022.html

Pretty cheap, good enough reason too. Have the bass I'm looking for and is that amp any good?
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:31 pm

I think the description says MTX when it should say Kicker. I also think the logo on the cones looks fake.

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EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch

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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:46 pm

those are 100% kicker comps at that there the lower end models!
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:44 am

You're saying these RE 10" subs are going to be loud enough for me? At least 30 ft away? Quality sound is important but most important is volume at this point. Is there any actual store I can find these at or am I going to have to order it online?
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:12 am

Sorry, It upsets me when I see product on the market that appears like a cheap a knock-off. In that craigslist ad, they appear to be Kicker Comps like wickedninja said, but the logos are wrong. Plus the seller doesn't know they are Kicker brand. Something's funny there.

I can't guarantee those RE 10"s will be loud enough for you. I know with 95% certainty they'd be loud enough for me, but it is not my mission to knock down the neighborhood with bass. I'm just saying they are a smarter way to spend $200. They are new, the brand is reputable, they offer a warranty, and the specs indicate very good performance. With cones that move double the distance of the comps, you can bet the REs will outperform them.

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KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:03 pm

Well, volume is a key function to me. So what kind of volume do you think two of those RE's would give? I could settle for 20 ft, as long as people next to me at the light can hear me thumping.
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:06 pm

Any good reason my thread was locked?

Not that it matters. I'm pretty sick of POS subwoofers, they seem like a waste of money to me. Fuck spending $350 on stupid ass speakers, it's just pissing me off looking at the overpriced shit. I think I'll put some nice tips on the Riv and be done for now.

On a totally unrelated note, I need a new mouse - I'm going to break this one because it won't stop connecting and disconnecting constantly while I'm typing!
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:14 pm

If you mean this thread, no. Happened by accident. Should be ok now.

To have the dynamics & response needed for hi-fi, you need a sub, and a sub costs money because it's a motor, and parts are hand-assembled. It depends on your budget & how important music is to you.

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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:48 pm

Ah okay, no problems then. Didn't know if I did anything wrong.

How about these for $80?
http://louisville.craigslist.org/pts/867638146.html
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:30 pm

Those appear to be the same as the other kicker comps, but in a different color. Not a high quality sub. Can they get loud? Probably, yes. Will they sound good? If the box is large enough, and it will be big.

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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:32 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:47 pm

kickers are great. I use one L7 solobaric as my sub. Big difference between those comps and an L7 though. The comps can boom around the block, but the L7s will take serious power and they move a lot more air.

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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:20 pm

Those ugly square subs? They're such an unnatural design. That and personally I've always thought they were really stupid looking - not to mention nothing else fits in their boxes. What about the other two sets of stuff I posted? Any good?
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PostSubject: Re: Subwoofers, Speakers & Amps   Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:46 pm

Shintsu wrote:
Those ugly square subs? They're such an unnatural design. That and personally I've always thought they were really stupid looking - not to mention nothing else fits in their boxes. What about the other two sets of stuff I posted? Any good?

clown...... Kicker L7's are AMAZING....... your wrong btw
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