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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptySun Mar 01, 2009 1:25 am

I'm going to side with shintsu on this one....what?? I can't see how someone could criticize seatbelts especially after the wreck you got yourself into. Plus i dont know how you can say the riv performed poorly when it freakin rolled over at probably more than 60 mph. They dont design cars to withstand those types of forces, otherwise they would cost way too much, and you would have to step over a roll bar every time you go in and out.
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xxxneeduwhenicry wrote:
Shintsu why dont u just shove it up ur ass already, u talk just to listen to yourself becuz sure as shyt nobody else wants to hear it, ur like some sort of genious right who no's EVERYTHING about everybody right....whats best for you might not be whats best for everybody else did u ever think of that....never once have i started a thread that u havent bashed on in some way so how bout from now on u just keep ur trap shut cuz im sure as hell sick of hearing ur bull
LOLZ, little girl you're the only one who won't face truth. You have bad role models who didn't teach you common sense. I'd get it if you never had a wreck nor never knew anyone who did, but it's everywhere and you just had one. And you're too senseless to realise it...in this case what's best for me IS best for everyone else - arguing against a seat belt just makes you look like a fool. Just because you hate being told the truth doesn't mean you shouldn't be...but hey, you'll probably "get" seat belts by the time you're dead like all those people on Cops and the police chase video shows...
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptySun Mar 01, 2009 10:07 am

havent u guys ever heard of someone being in an accident and having them tell u there was a 75% chance they would of survived had they NOT been wearing a seatbelt....try having it be your cousin/best friend and then maybe yall would get my point of view on it
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptySun Mar 01, 2009 11:01 am

I have heard of this, and it's usually by people who were drinking and tend to be irrational anyway.

My opinions were formed after driving a tow truck for a few years, scraping up wrecks. The people with massive head trauma were generally not wearing seat belts. The cars where seat belts were worn were usually much less bloody inside. A bruised shoulder or broken rib is much preferable as compared to a face in the windshield or death. I have seen all forms.

Yes, in some rare cases being thrown from the car might have been better, but in the majority of wrecks I picked up, it's the seat belt that made the difference between riding away in an ambulance vs riding away in the coroner's wagon.
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptySun Mar 01, 2009 11:56 am

The seat belt laws were probably enacted to encourage usage by the drivers of vehicles that did not posses the ability to make wise decisions, not because the government enjoys passing laws that are almost certainly a burden on the police. These same individuals who lack the intelligence to make such wise decisions for themselves almost certainly also lack the resources to compensate fellow motorists in the event of an accident of their own fault. In addition these same components of society also usually lack the financial resources much less the adequate insurance coverage to cover the damage they could potentially do to themselves and other motorists, passengers and pedestrians. In the event of a accident that requires large amounts of money be expended for hospitalization and other forms of liability that result from an accident the costs are passed on to the more responsible members of society who are usually already paying the way for these other individuals to a large extent through other various types of federal, state and local programs that I call wealth redistribution. So a large portion of society once again is called upon to subsidize the poor choices made by a much smaller and less responsible class of individuals.
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptySun Mar 01, 2009 2:51 pm

no my cousin/best friend had not been drinking at all and they said if he had been thrown from the car he would be paralyzed but at least he'd still be alive....and as far as my insurance its just fine it didnt even go up after the accident due to first accident forgiveness and they paid for everything, the bills, the tree's i destroyed and are still paying for my physical therapy.....and NO i was not doing over 60mph its a hugeeee corner that nobody in there right mind would dream of taking over 40 mph.....
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deekster caddy wrote: My opinions were formed after driving a tow truck for a few years. i to drove a tow for awhile. ive seen 5000 lb cadillac suvs completly pretzeled and twisted into masses of jagged steel resembling an orb. these crashes occured between 65 and 85 mph per hour. it all boils down to the "angle of the dangle" when hit just right,or, spins out just right, gravity and inertia and gyroscopic forces take over and the energy they transfer into the vehicle is miraculous and terrifying. its difficult im sure for the officials in charge of explaining the accident to family and friends that the seat belts were not being worn.
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptySun Mar 01, 2009 5:54 pm

It's really not possible to predict what injuries might have been suffered by being thrown from the vehicle. Frequently, part of the action of being thrown out, includes the vehicle rolling onto the victim while partially out the window or door or windshield, causing disastrous injuries. Statistics prove that wearing a seatbelt properly enormously improves your chances of surviving an accident w/o severe injuries. My mother died from head injuries caused by repeated contact with the steering wheel, because she was not wearing the seat and shoulder restraints, which would have held her back from that contact.

I'm not going to sit here and call you any names, but I will say that you make an uninformed choice when you fail to buckle up. I hope it doesn't come back to haunt you, and that you live a long and healthy life. Good luck. And please, if you have kids later on, make them wear their belts.
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 12:20 am

ill never make that choice for my future children because that is there own personal choice whether they want to wear it or not....and a seatbelt WILL NOT stop you from smashing your head off a steering wheel....the shoulder restraint of a seatbelt has leverage that can still cause u to smash ur head from a steering wheel
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 12:25 am

....And that brings us to Air Bags!!! But Air bags will do you no good as your flying through the windshield no
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 12:32 am

Having a sister who has been in several wrecks , and always wears a seatbelt , and is still alive , i definitely have to say that it seems incredibly improbably for it to better to fly through a window or windshield or an A pillar , into a dashboard , etc, than it is to have a broken rib or shoulder... I mean come on , unless the car blows up , is it conceivable that someone could have sustained less injury without a seatbelt in any situation? I'm gonna call BS on whoever said your cousin may have lived if he hadn't wore his seatbelt... i've know way too many people who've been in SEVERE car accidents and the ones who wear seatbelts always far better from what i've seen.
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 12:50 am

Uh, no Kelly it isn't their decision. You're the parent, you decide. Being parents generally teach their kids the right thing (Not necessarily that the kid follows these things), that means kids wear seatbelts because their parents say to. How about when they're a baby? Do they have to pick too? Or will you just toss them in the back seat and let them crawl around without a baby seat or anything?

God, learn some responsibility or don't have kids please. You have to understand, parents teach their kids what they're supposed to do. If you never wear seat belts and tell your kid it doesn't matter they won't either and you're raising them to be more at risk. If you teach them from day one wear a seat belt it comes second nature and they always do it. Christ sake, my parents always made me wear a seat belt and they did too - I can't get in the car without buckling up. It doesn't feel right. Obviously you didn't get this same lesson because if you had you'd think of it more positively.
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 1:25 am

Should all the racing organizations start prohibiting the use of seatbelts in race cars? If not, why? That is, if they're such a bad idea in "regular " cars.

I wrecked my first '71 Riviera, and rolled it into a ditch - - and walked away - - and was NOT wearing a seat belt (because there wasn't one in the car - - I'd just bought it and the previous owner (I assume) had cut the belts off). IF belts had been in the car, I would have DEFINITELY been wearing them, as I make a habit to ALWAYS wear them. Hell, I'll put them on just to turn the car around in the back yard - - seriously!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 1:34 am

no i can understand seatbelts being in racecars doing 200mph but doing 75 and under its not all that big of a deal...and omg u rolled ur first riv into a ditch and walked away i took my riviera airborn over a 50 ft bank into a shyt load of tree's and walked away without a seatbelt....and ide never let a baby go without a carseat idiot...but once there old enough to realize what a seatbelt is if they dont wanna wear it im not gonna make em
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 2:11 am

Sounds like your crash was a lot worse than mine.

One thing I try to do though - (not always successfully) - is avoid betting against the odds. From massive amounts of highway statistics (and I also used to work for the Highway Dept.), in any given wreck, people wearing seat belts/safety restraints overwhelmingly come out in FAR better shape than those who don't. So I'm not gonna bet on being the freak, one-in-a-million case where the seatbelt was worse. I'll bet on being the 999,999-in-a-million case where the seatbelt made me come out in better shape. Yep - I'll bet that way every time!!
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That being said, I don't agree with laws mandating seat belt use. (or motorcycle helmet laws, either) Even though I'd also never dream of getting on a motorcycle without a helmet. I wrecked one of them once too, and from the big-ass gash on the side of my helmet, and the damage the rest of my body sustained, I'm sure as hell glad I was wearing it!!! But if some idiot wants to go out without a helmet or seat belt, I figure that's their business (as long as "society" doesn't have to pay for their life supprot if they crash)
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 2:52 am

So to some limit you understand the benefit of a seat belt...but just say fuck it the rest of the time? Your logic makes no sense to me...crashes under 75 mph? Gee, two head ons at 75 mph that's 150 mph collision.

So maybe you get lucky and just have fender benders or whatever. What happens if you slam into a three foot high concrete wall for whatever reason? Laws of physics will keep your body in motion when the car stops. You'll slam so hard into the steering wheel and given your airbag does work it'll slam you back hard (It's intended to be used with the seatbelt). If it doesn't, you could very well get some broken ribs from the steering wheel and a concussion from slamming your head on the dash/windshield. Honestly, unless you liked the pain and whatnot from this crash I don't see how you can act like the seat belt is a bad thing.

Arguing for or against cigarettes or something I can see some merit to, but I don't see why you're so hell bent on arguing about the benefits of seat belts. You act like they're totally useless and in the car just for those weirdos who want to wear them for some dumb reason. Not wearing a seatbelt now is really dangerous given airbags that are designed to supplement them. Seat belts keep you from slamming your head on the steering wheel if you lock the brakes up even if you were just stopping hard.
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 7:32 am

yea i dont agree with motorcycles period Bill....a friend of mine from north carolina her dad got hit by an 18 wheeler and had a helmet on and he is dead from it and wasnt doing anything wrong to begin with, the driver of the 18 wheeler just didnt see him i guess.....
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 7:33 am

ill argue for cigerettes if ude like that more shintsu :-D
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 3:17 pm

...No, but there's more of a Side A vs Side B there (I'm against ciagrettes but whatever - if you want to kill yourself slowly with nasty smelling trash please do so in your home away from me, I hate second hand smoke). Seat belts don't have two sides really. I mean unless you want the Side that likes to live vs the side that doesn't care about not dying...

And please don't tell me you're going to say helmets are no good too! I've heard of so many people who lived because they had a helmet and just like the police chase videos, died because they didn't. Why wouldn't you want something between you and the road? Ugh! Unimaginable! Honestly though, bike vs semi...I don't think much would stop that. Those trucks have big blind spots and it is the other driver's responsibility to avoid them. Barring an immediate lane change or something I don't know how you can't tell a truck is coming over - I see their turn signals every time and either speed up or slow down.
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 5:40 pm

Shintsu wrote:
Those trucks have big blind spots and it is the other driver's responsibility to avoid them.

Not True. The driver of the truck is responsible for his trucks location and following traffic laws just like everybody else. That said, if a truck is changing lanes into you, better get on that horn...
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 5:59 pm

and i didnt say anything about helmets shintsu....i said i dont agree with motorcycles at all with or without a helmet.....and like ive said 100 times to you already although u just dont seem to listen....ull never change my mind about seatbelts
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 7:01 pm

xxxneeduwhenicry wrote:
and like ive said 100 times to you already although u just dont seem to listen

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that's Shintsu in a nutshell

I won't ride a motorcycle on the street. It's too bad, because I really enjoy riding. I used to do a lot of dirtbike riding, and there's nothing like the feeling, but I have seen so many motorcycle accidents caused by cars (rarely the fault of the motorcycle driver) and I just cannot trust the way people drive cars. Cellphone use has only made it worse.

Well anyway, I plead you to reconsider your decision not to wear a seat belt. They may be uncomfortable, or whatever reason you may think, but they really do save more lives. There's a reason they made it a law... But if not, that's up to you. Just so long as you don't expect society to pick up your medical bills after you lose half your body or something. headbutt
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyMon Mar 02, 2009 7:19 pm

Derek, I do listen but there are some things worthy of repetition until accepted. I thought she was trying to tell me motorcycle helmets were stupid or something now. You never mentioned those before so how should I just know that?

Usually when someone argues against something everyone else does or the smart thing there's one reason for it somewhere. I was trying to unearth that real reason, but if you insist on making such a poor choice as everyone else here has said it is - fine. There are millions of people more than who wouldn't say you're being totally foolish and irrational by not wearing a seat belt...
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yea irrational maybe but im a big girl and can make choices for MYSELF and i never listen to anybody at all prolly the reason i keep getting left by men but oo well whatever helps em sleep at night right...right
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PostSubject: Re: 95 Riviera Destroyed last night   95 Riviera Destroyed last night - Page 5 EmptyWed Mar 04, 2009 1:47 am

wrong! they prolly dont wanna end up adorning a tree! not hanging from a tree in 25 pieces, prolly helps em sleep! right?....RIGHT!
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