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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:44 am

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those are pacesetter knock off's.... don't get em''
Ok.. so, knock-offs of SLPs are fine, but knock-offs of knock-offs are bad? How do we know which Chinese-made copy is better than another?

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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:55 am

Probably because regular pacesetters have their share of problems , and I can't picture knock offs being better than the original.
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:07 am

Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't Pacesetters knock-offs of SLPs? I didn't think of them as "original".

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:26 am

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Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't Pacesetters knock-offs of SLPs? I didn't think of them as "original".

pacesetter are their "own headers" they have smaller primaries than SLPS.... there are a few chinese knock off's of these OBX and some other lame chinese maker.... anywho! the XS headers are the route to go! they have bigger primaries and they come with a 3 inch down pipe... you do need to two of those FAT clamps for 12 dollars from ZZP or wherever.... but IMO XS dominates i have seen a few sets go in on GTPS and a GS and for the money i WILL be buying a set of these.........
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:38 am

Interesting. Thanks for the info. Hope those XS headers work out for you. Looking forward to seeing your installation.

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:57 am

Has any body on here installed the XS headers yet?
Also, do me a favor and no one bid on the set coming up for sale on EBay please. I put in the bid that's currently there for that set.
There are others to follow.
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:16 pm

Rickw, what's your ebay username, and a link to the auction you are bidding on, please.

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:56 pm

98riviera98 wrote:
AA wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't Pacesetters knock-offs of SLPs? I didn't think of them as "original".

pacesetter are their "own headers" they have smaller primaries than SLPS.... there are a few chinese knock off's of these OBX and some other lame chinese maker.... anywho! the XS headers are the route to go! they have bigger primaries and they come with a 3 inch down pipe... you do need to two of those FAT clamps for 12 dollars from ZZP or wherever.... but IMO XS dominates i have seen a few sets go in on GTPS and a GS and for the money i WILL be buying a set of these.........


No, pacesetters have bigger primaries then the SLPs.
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:04 pm

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Rickw, what's your ebay username, and a link to the auction you are bidding on, please.

HA HA Happy New year to you too.

Besides, you already have a NICE set of headers.
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:07 pm

Lol, I'm serious. How are we supposed to know which auction to avoid bidding on?

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'98 SC Riviera 268k miles 298 HP/370 TQ 0-60: 5.79s ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 4087 lb 20.1 avg MPG Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:10 pm

OH, I thought you were kidding around.
Thanks,
Rick

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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:16 pm

Haha... fooled you. Now I'm gonna bid!

Just kidding. No one bid on Rick's auction, please.

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:17 pm

Thanks AA
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:18 pm

they look nice. good luck getting them.
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:09 pm

Hey, in one spot, they say mild steel tubing and another spot it says "STAINLESS STEEL 321 HIGH GRADE , YES NOT BURMESE CHEAP OBX GRADE HIGH GRADE STAINLESS STEEL"

So which is it? I get a little paranoid about poorly worded auctions, maybe it's just me.
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:15 pm

Well, if everything goes according to plan I should be able to answer your question definitively in about a week.
But, from what I've heard others say, they are supposed to definitely be Stainless Steel. I emailed SSAutochrome over a month ago and they responded with SS.
We'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:30 pm

Cool, can't wait to see 'em installed!
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:44 pm

must.....bid......on......headers........
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:16 pm

We've all been through the stainless steel debate with these knock-offs. The description always bothered me as well. I could never get myself to buy a set, I ended up going with a rear PEM and a front stainless powerlog with the ceramic coating. I just wanted something that gave me the least amount of fitment problems, plus I knew I was never going to go too far with my Riviera mods.
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:59 pm

And that's a respectable position. Headers are overkill for most who buy them, imo. Not a total waste, but they really don't help that much until you are heavily modded. I could've waited on mine.

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:08 pm

^^ Two good posts. A bit of a reigning in for those of us caught up in the header talk, and a reminder to plan your mods. Too easy to go out and just throw money at the car. We all work too hard for the cash to just spend it without a good plan.

But I still wanna see those babies installed on Rick's ride! smile
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:37 pm

I'll be buying some soon Mid-February or so prolly
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:39 am

Travis and ur buying my Cam
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:20 am

palermocorey90 wrote:
Travis and ur buying my Cam

unless i find an XP before that for 175 or less cool
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PostSubject: Re: Knock-Off Headers (Pace Setter, Autochrome, Chinese, eBay, etc.)   Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:55 am

They are 321 SS tubing with a mild steel flange.
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