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ender467 Trainee
Joined: 2007-04-10 Post Count: 34 Merit: 0
 | Subject: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:35 pm | |
| Well, just got back from my mechanic. I was having issues with the supercharger tensioner pulley. It was squeeking when the engine was cold. They replaced, I paid, everything was good until I started the next day when the engine was cold. Squeek was still there. Brought it back and they replaced it again. Seems to be fine this time. They are concerned though because when putting the s/c tensioner pulley on, when they tightened it, the squeek started to come from the supercharger snout pulley. Should I be concerned about a major s/c repair? The mechanic is doing some research to see if it is a problem. The mechanic also isn't ripping me off, he done most of the work on my families cars, and we are on a first name basis with him. If anyone can offer some advice on diagnosis or trobleshooting or even repairs, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again everyone. |
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Mr.Riviera Aficionado

Name: Matthew Age: 25 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 4008 Merit: 82
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:14 pm | |
| i have never heard a s/c pulley make squeeking noise. not saying your isn't but it could be the water pump right below or the tensioner still making the noise. did you check the oil level in the snout? no s/c repair is "major" a good snout or rebuild should only cost 50-60 and a snout is easy to install. you can buy an entire blower for like 200. did he replace just the tensioner pulley or the tensioner itself? _________________  |
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ender467 Trainee
Joined: 2007-04-10 Post Count: 34 Merit: 0
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:39 pm | |
| The mechanic is pretty sure on the location for the squeek. I just went for a quick drive in it and the engine was cold, I heard a faint squeek when I stepped on the gass a few times, but the temp picked up and it disappeared. It seems to be running fine. My worries have been alleviated a bit. The s/c oil is fine, it was replaced recently. All he did was replace the tensioner pulley and lubed up the nylon bushings underneath the s/c tensioner pulley. The belt is basically new. It is good news that the snout could be fixed for that cheap. That is great news. $200 is no problem whatsoever. I will be talking to the mechanic later this week, so any other information would be great. Thanks for the quick answer. |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 34 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-13 Post Count: 14467 Merit: 172
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:40 pm | |
| Mileage? _________________ "An intercooled, supercharged, 280 HP Buick Riviera with neck-snapping acceleration and precise handling that proves GM can make something really interesting and competent, if only they would build more than one at a time." - John R. White, Boston Globe
"I think that in any racing engine, the nearer you are to disintegrating, in general the better its performance will be." - Keith Duckworth, Cosworth Engineering
'98 SC Riviera • 238k miles • 298 HP/370 LB-FT • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.5 avg MPG
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco F/Rsway bars • ES links/bushings • GM strut brace • Enkei 18" EV5s • Dunlop DZ101 tires F-body calipers • EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • slotted discs • ATE superblue fluid • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch
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ender467 Trainee
Joined: 2007-04-10 Post Count: 34 Merit: 0
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:42 pm | |
| The car has about 170k on it. It still runs great, save a few repairs....such as this. |
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Mr.Riviera Aficionado

Name: Matthew Age: 25 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 4008 Merit: 82
 | Subject: annoying pulley squeak Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:44 pm | |
| i think i have it narrowed down to where my annoying squeak is coming from. it does it all the time, but it changes with rpm and heat. so in the mornings, when cold it, does it at idle. once i get up to temp it only does it at 1700rpm and above. and if i sit in hot weather for a long time it goes away completely if i stay under 2500rpm. i cant hear it ever above 3k but thats probably b/c of too much other noise. here is what i have done to narrow my search; i tried spraying every moving part (pulleys not belts  )with wd40 and then tried white lithium grease. neither made any change in noise. toped off the s/c oil. and pulled off the belts and idlers and checked everything by hand. i cant make the noise happen unless the car is running and the s/c belt is on. all of my pulleys are "new" btw. (less than 20k on the oldest one) for the tensioner pulley right in front of the supercharger. i upgraded to the 3.5" tensioner pulley, but the noise came way after that install. with the car running, if i push on the top part of the idler the noise goes away, and if i apply pressure to the bottom the noise becomes worse. if i wrench on the bolt for the tensioner to make the belt fit tighter the noise becomes worse and if i relieve some tension the noise starts to go away. so my guess is the tensioner itself. but it doesnt make any noise when i flex it back and fourth to take the belt off. so my question is: 1. is there any way to dissemble and clean up the inside of the tensioner or is it a sealed piece i shouldn't mess with? 2. do you think that is where the noise is from or could it still be the s/c, idler, or tensioner pulley? since those are all effected by pressing on the tensioner pulley. thank you for any advice, its embarrassing rolling through parking lots sounding like a lawn mower with a wet belt. Matthew _________________  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 34 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-13 Post Count: 14467 Merit: 172
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:23 am | |
| Which tensioner are you experimenting with, the accessory or SC? I have the exact same problem, Matthew. Yesterday I tried changing the accessory idler pulley, but it made no difference. The noise seems to come from that area, so now I suspect the alternator or the accessory tensioner now that you've posted. _________________ "An intercooled, supercharged, 280 HP Buick Riviera with neck-snapping acceleration and precise handling that proves GM can make something really interesting and competent, if only they would build more than one at a time." - John R. White, Boston Globe
"I think that in any racing engine, the nearer you are to disintegrating, in general the better its performance will be." - Keith Duckworth, Cosworth Engineering
'98 SC Riviera • 238k miles • 298 HP/370 LB-FT • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.5 avg MPG
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco F/Rsway bars • ES links/bushings • GM strut brace • Enkei 18" EV5s • Dunlop DZ101 tires F-body calipers • EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • slotted discs • ATE superblue fluid • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch
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Mr.Riviera Aficionado

Name: Matthew Age: 25 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 4008 Merit: 82
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:21 am | |
| s/c tensioner. but i sometimes wonder if its the alternator too, since thats the only thing on that side of the engine i havent replaced.
im going to go out and try to pull it off and see whats wrong. _________________  |
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Sag Member

Name: Martin Age: 30 Location: St- calixte Qc Joined: 2007-10-26 Post Count: 166 Merit: 0
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:59 am | |
| I have the same annoying skweek but for me it is the tensioner itself who don't seem to work correctly. |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 34 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-13 Post Count: 14467 Merit: 172
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:03 am | |
| I wonder if the noise is from belt slippage due to worn out tensioner spring? _________________ "An intercooled, supercharged, 280 HP Buick Riviera with neck-snapping acceleration and precise handling that proves GM can make something really interesting and competent, if only they would build more than one at a time." - John R. White, Boston Globe
"I think that in any racing engine, the nearer you are to disintegrating, in general the better its performance will be." - Keith Duckworth, Cosworth Engineering
'98 SC Riviera • 238k miles • 298 HP/370 LB-FT • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.5 avg MPG
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco F/Rsway bars • ES links/bushings • GM strut brace • Enkei 18" EV5s • Dunlop DZ101 tires F-body calipers • EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • slotted discs • ATE superblue fluid • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch
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Sag Member

Name: Martin Age: 30 Location: St- calixte Qc Joined: 2007-10-26 Post Count: 166 Merit: 0
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:20 am | |
| Maybe for u but shure for me! |
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Mr.Riviera Aficionado

Name: Matthew Age: 25 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 4008 Merit: 82
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:27 pm | |
| my tensioner isnt that old. i remember replacing it with my uncle, back when he had the car. (like 2003 ish) and with the larger pulley i would think the tension is just fine. also my belt is brand new too. not even 2 months old. (lost it when the lower radiator hose broke) anyways, i just finished pulling it all apart and cleaning everything i could. learned a few things too.  1. if you ever need to replace the lower radiator hose. it is much easier to get to by taking off the tensioner and coil packs (basically all one piece). than to try and reach up in there and mess with that rubber clamp. 2. a lot of dirt likes to collect in the cracks behind the tensioner. which probably hold in extra heat. not much but i like to know its clean. 3. the tensioner is all one assembly and i was too afraid of breaking it or having that spring fly at me, so i just cleaned the outside of it and sprayed down the spring. i will let you know if it squeaks tomorrow when i go to class. its raining out right now :/ _________________  |
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AA Administrator

Name: Aaron Age: 34 Location: C-bus, Ohio Joined: 2007-01-13 Post Count: 14467 Merit: 172
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:23 pm | |
| For what it's worth, mine started squeaking a couple months ago, almost immediately after installing new belts. Before the belts, I never heard the noise.  _________________ "An intercooled, supercharged, 280 HP Buick Riviera with neck-snapping acceleration and precise handling that proves GM can make something really interesting and competent, if only they would build more than one at a time." - John R. White, Boston Globe
"I think that in any racing engine, the nearer you are to disintegrating, in general the better its performance will be." - Keith Duckworth, Cosworth Engineering
'98 SC Riviera • 238k miles • 298 HP/370 LB-FT • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.5 avg MPG
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco F/Rsway bars • ES links/bushings • GM strut brace • Enkei 18" EV5s • Dunlop DZ101 tires F-body calipers • EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • slotted discs • ATE superblue fluid • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch
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racinfan Enthusiast

Name: Joe Location: Cleveland, OH Joined: 2007-02-05 Post Count: 566 Merit: 4
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:56 am | |
| Any word on if the tensioner was the issue? |
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Mr.Riviera Aficionado

Name: Matthew Age: 25 Location: Florida Joined: 2007-01-17 Post Count: 4008 Merit: 82
 | Subject: Re: FAQ: Chirp Chirp Chirp - Belt Squeal & Tensioner Squeak Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:26 am | |
| nope. mine still makes lots of noise. i am 80% sure it is the tensioner spring making the noise. but i have no way of fixing it. i may replace the front pulley again to rule out bad bearing, even tho it is pretty new. _________________  |
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