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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 5:47 pm

albertj wrote:
Did you rule out a failing crank sensor yet?

If you do replace it please get a Delphi. The cheap ones have been known to fail early (~2 years)

Albertj

In regards to the stall?

Well, after doing the FP pig-tail replacement Itook the car down to my office today and all was well. I think the iisue may have been the connector not going dep enough into the socket. the new one went in easilly,...and the old one was difficult, and a bit of he blue ribber seal was visble afterwards,...so I think the connection may have been magrional.

All is weell for the moment.

3 jobs done so far this weekend. Yesterday a used ride height compressor came in. I'm repairing that one and will swap it out in a few. Mine seems weak, and the relief valve seems to have a leak. It won't stay up, and I have new shocks, new air lines, and I have testrted all the connections for leaks. Hope the new one works.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 5:49 pm

I agree with you about that connector, weather-packs slide pretty easy when they are good.

All the best.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 6:13 pm

More great pics, Stu... I'm sure Aaron will want to copy or move this section over to one of the existing fuel pump or gas gauge threads.

Boy, that's a total redesign! Yeah, I'm sure those spring loaded distributor points will last a lot longer than the lame little brushes they started with. Pity, though, that they didn't design a new sender that fit the old pump cup assembly...

If you can take apart the old assembly when you get back from your trip, I'd love to know exactly how things are plumbed at the bottom of the cup, e.g. does the pump pull fuel directly from the filter sock, or from inside the cup... The fact that the normally-aspirated engine doesn't have the extra venturi-pump at the bottom makes me wonder if the main pump actually sucks straight from the tank, and the cup is just holding fuel for quieting & cooling the pump, which would be hotter in the supercharged cars.

Anyhow, have a safe and uneventful trip.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 6:23 pm

I didn't know he had a N/A engine.?

And I agree, I hope you have an Uneventful trip as well.
Merry Christmas
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 6:27 pm

I don't know... I wasn't referring to his particular engine, just the difference between fuel cups on L36 vs L67 in general.

OH!! Stuart, did you find the leak in the old pump assembly?!?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 6:41 pm

Eldo wrote:
I wasn't referring to his particular engine, just the difference between fuel cups on L36 vs L67 in general.
I'm still confused, did I miss something regarding him having an L36.?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 6:56 pm

I don't which engine he has, he hasn't filled out his signature yet...
I'm asking him about a general question, because he now has an old pump assembly he can tear apart.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 6:58 pm

I see. I was confused!, Now I'm not..
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 7:59 pm

I'll get to that Eldo.

BTW, I have a '97 supercharged fully loaded, so it's an L67.

I just got done swapping out the Air Ride Pump.

Lots of things accomplished this weekend:

Front vertical lower control arm bushings replaced
Air ride compressor replaced
Front fender trim installed
Gas tank leak fixed
Gas gauge fixed.


Things yet to do on my list:

-Replace SC coupler (I have the coupler and oil already)
-Fix small rattle in the rear of the headliner.
-Change coolant and T stat (I already have new Dexccool and a 180 deg Stat)
-Remove front struts and fix squeal when turning.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 9:20 pm

You're right, this was a productive weekend... I'd forgotten about your bushing thread - don't forget to finish that up and tell us how you got it to work.

Everyone has a different opinion on DexCool. Personally, when I replaced the water pump at 75,000 miles, I drained the system, flushed it with chemical flush, flushed again with clear water for a couple days, and went back to green coolant. My brother the mechanic had already been doing it for years...
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 9:54 pm

I started to do the post with pics on the bushings,...but the welds are ugly and I didn't want any flak about it. LOL

It will be fine,...and worse case senario, the front of the arm is completely captured. So a total failure only makes things noisey.

I don't like the idea of the Dexcool either, but they have supposeldy improved it a lot since the issues it origionally had,..and I wanted low hassle,....so just stat and top-off for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptySun Dec 20, 2009 9:55 pm

I suspect Dexcool works fine if you do the radiator fill with distilled water, demineralized water, or softened water. I bet there are chemicals in some municipal water systems that gel up in Dex (hence the residue) and I bet Dex does not come with a chemical additive to control that.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyTue Dec 29, 2009 9:36 am

Well the car ran fine on it's cross-country voyage. It got 24.75 mpg at 75 ish.

But the fuel sender is WAY off. After 160 miles it reads 3/4 tank,...and by about 1/4 on the gauge it's empty.

It does go to empty though and the light turns on,...which is a mystery. If it was simply a matter of the arm needing to be re-bent,..then it should go to 1/4 tank and stay there.

Anyway,..we ran out of gas in a mild blizzard and sat for 50 min waiting for AAA to come with some gas. Because I didn't know what mileage it got, and how much fuel the pump could pull from the tank,..and because the gauge was so far off,... and because there was a 60 mile stretch with no gas-stations,... well, I ran it out of gas. 428 miles showing on he trip odo. We had made it to within 7 miles of the next gas station.

It was fine though,...almost fun. I was worried because it was 29 out, and blowing hard,...but the car stayed comfortable inside for 40 minutes,...only getting cold as the tow truck puled up. Good times.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyTue Dec 29, 2009 9:25 pm

I'm glad you only had a 'little' adventure... happy

I guess when you take the fuel assembly out again, you should set it on a flat surface next to the old one and compare the swing of the sender arms. The unit you bought was for the Riv and not the Olds, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyTue Dec 29, 2009 10:41 pm

Eldo wrote:
I'm glad you only had a 'little' adventure... happy

I guess when you take the fuel assembly out again, you should set it on a flat surface next to the old one and compare the swing of the sender arms. The unit you bought was for the Riv and not the Olds, right?

Yep, It was for a Riv.

I might just wait until spring. It's really cold out and the Riv is a few feet longer than it needs to be. Long enough that it barely fits in my garage.

And I get nervous every time taking fuel tanks apart in my garage. I feel better doing it in the driveway,...10-15 feet from the house. Justified or not,..that's just how I feel. And I suppose I can remember to fill it up when it gets to 1/4 tank or has 350 miles on the trip ODO.



Yeah the trip was fine driving wise,...but the rest of it was terrible.
My dad (who is 79) collapsed on the 23rd, and I had to lift him up whenever he needed to stand for a day or so,..and in the middle of the night to the bathroom,.. carry him into the shower,..and finally we took him to the ER on the 24th (the Rivs' huge doors, which open nearly 90 degrees made that easy as you could hope,...sp score a big one for the Riv). At the same time my sister admitted herself for migraines, a lump in her throat, and a lump in her breast.

My dad recovered and was released after 2 days and after many tests,..oxygen hoses,...saline water IV's, etc. But he missed the Dec 25th fancy dinner which is was my parents' 58th wedding anniversary. I went with my mom instead.

My sister (who is also down there from Michigan) was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer (the worst stage) and cancer lesions in her skull. Expected life-span is 2-10 years. Her daughter stayed with my parents in Virginia,...and I brought home her 13yo son,...who got sick in the back and puked into a bag for the last 4 hours or so of the trip. Turns out he had a 24 hr cold,..and we found out later his sister had the same. We had thought it was car-sickness,...but Dramamine hadn't helped.


Well, the Riv is in the garage white with salt. It's supposed to hit 35 degrees on Thursday, so I'll give it a rinse then.

If anyone cares to,...I'd appreciate a prayer for my sister. She's an awsome mom,..her childeren are the best at many things,...they skip grades,...my niece made the top rank in The Sea Cadetes (a junior Navy program),.... she's a top ranked swimmer,...band,...honor roles etc. My sister was sub teacher of the year for the state,..... honored with citizen of the year for the town and given a parade and dinner etc. Took the local youth theater from almost gone to better than it had ever been, and even made a profit. Made 144 costumes for a Shakespear play herself (hand boned corsets and such,..-5 costume changes per child) all at no cost to the play group. Just amazing.

Really a giver. Just a super person. Never had money to take care of herself though,..and now she needs a miracle.

Thanks for reading.

Stuart.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyTue Dec 29, 2009 10:47 pm

Stuart,
Your Family will be in my prayers.
So sorry to hear all that went wrong with the trip and in the lives of the people you love.
I've had 3 cancer surgery's in the past 5 years and can empathize with what you are going through.
May God Bless all of you.


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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyTue Dec 29, 2009 10:51 pm

Shit, I'm sorry Christmas went so far south for you, Stu. There's never a good time for things like that, but it pulls the floor out from under you when it happens during the Holidays... My next door neighbor's sister was planning to have all her kids & their families for Christmas, but she fell ill early in December and now they don't even know how many days she has left.

Uh, you're hereby excused from any more fuel work until Spring... confused
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2010 3:31 pm

Just out of curiosity, I looked into the site that AA used to find a BBV in another thread, and it appears that they might have access to fuel filler pipes... and they're only showing full-list price at $68 - they want $1400 for a tank!

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2010 3:43 pm

The illustration you linked to was for a 1997 and the fuel tank listing says that the following are the same:
Aurora 1997
Park Ave 1997
Riv 1997

So, for the 97 Riv, there are options on what the tank fits.

These are the kind of questions we always seem to have. What else will fit? If this site is correct on the "Also Fit's" section it will prove to be very valuable and a quicker reference than having to go to a site like Rock Auto and other vendors.
So even if their prices are at or near retail, it is still a very good reference tool.

BTW, which section of Fuel Filler tube is the one that people have a need for.?
Is the section up top where you actually put the filler nozzle.?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2010 4:08 pm

Good catch, Rick. Since the bodies didn't change, it never occurred to me that the fillpipes would...

To answer your question, yes, I believe #18 is the part that rusts out because it passes through the wheel well.

Maybe this site doesn't keep it's "Add to Cart" buttons current, but if you change the year to '98, it also shows the inexplicably re-designed fillpipe assembly available as a kit of 4 parts: #29.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2010 4:14 pm

So it appears that the assy # 29 for 98/99 simply clamps to the short tube on the tank... looks easy enough to do. My fill tube is rusting badly at the top end where the cap goes. It doesn't seal very well as the surface the cap gasket goes against, is badly corroded. So yes, my SES light is on a lot. Gotta address the situation this spring.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2010 4:23 pm

Yes, it looks like they made the fillpipe unit longer, and the rubber hose shorter... Perhaps the original design was replaceable without having to drop the tank, and an alert engineer realized that it must be made more difficult?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2010 4:43 pm

Monster has the upper fill pipe for 95-97 at just $25, but $105 for 98/99. I'm puzzled at a $105 seal for 95-99, that Monster shows when you spec the fill pipe, but they don't picture it.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2010 5:08 pm

1998 Riv wrote:
Monster has the upper fill pipe for 95-97 at just $25, but $105 for 98/99. I'm puzzled at a $105 seal for 95-99, that Monster shows when you spec the fill pipe, but they don't picture it.
In situations like this, if i want to buy from Monster because their prices are better, then I'll contact Patrick and have him confirm that the part I'm looking for is the correct one.
He responds to my emails quickly, but if it's something I just can't explain in writing I'll call him for verification.
I try to only call when absolutely necessary as he requests all inquiry's be through email.
But as I said occasionally you just have to call.

I'll bet the $105.00 part is the kit that contains 4 parts, which includes everything needed from the tank to the filler neck.


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PostSubject: Re: Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION   Fuel filler tube discontinued - SOLUTION - Page 3 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2010 5:24 pm

Eldo wrote:
Maybe this site doesn't keep it's "Add to Cart" buttons current, but if you change the year to '98, it also shows the inexplicably re-designed fillpipe assembly available as a kit of 4 parts: #29.
If when you click "Add to cart" and get nothing, it either indicates it out of stock or obsolete. Haven't figured out which one yet. Maybe one or both situations,IDK.
Maybe you can confirm this by knowing if these fill pipes are indeed still available and not obsolete yet.

I have tried adding some things to the cart and it does work, so I'm guessing it is a "not in stock" issue, as I've noticed some parts that are visible in the illustrated blow up by number are not referenced in the parts list at all. That would indicate to me an "Obsolete" item.
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