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PostSubject: Security system (lamp/light) issues...   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptyTue Jul 17, 2007 4:23 pm

My car has been sitting for two years, (1995 3800 super charged (sorry)
I just recentely had an overhaul on the engine and some work done on the front passinger wheel area, control arm ,strut, spring,roter, etc. the car was stolen and was crashed into a fire hydrant on that side right on the wheel.
Now since I got the car back from getting fixed the factory alarm is not going off at all, but sometimes when i try to start the car the car doesnt turn over at all, but the security light stays on, once the light goes off the car will start, my question is , is there a fuse that i can pull or something to stop the alarm from working all together. I just bought a new key and thats not the issue does anybody have any reccomendations???
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RIVIGIRL1 wrote:
My car has been sitting for two years, (1995 3800 super charged (sorry)
I just recentely had an overhaul on the engine and some work done on the front passinger wheel area, control arm ,strut, spring,roter, etc. the car was stolen and was crashed into a fire hydrant on that side right on the wheel.
Now since I got the car back from getting fixed the factory alarm is not going off at all, but sometimes when i try to start the car the car doesnt turn over at all, but the security light stays on, once the light goes off the car will start, my question is , is there a fuse that i can pull or something to stop the alarm from working all together. I just bought a new key and thats not the issue does anybody have any reccomendations???

My car does the same security thing every once in a while. Have to wait a good 5 minutes or so before I can actually start the car. Don't know why it does it though. Only happend about 5 times in the 2 years I've had the car.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptyTue Jul 17, 2007 10:14 pm

Sounds to me like the pass II sensor might not be working right.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptyWed Jul 18, 2007 7:39 am

mine was doing the same thing, I bypassed the starter disable by wiring resistors (equal to your key resistor) inline with the 2 wires that measure the resistance across the key in the steering column. then i installed a bypass for the signal that the computer is looking for to enable the fuel. you can purchase this module on ebay here:

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Mine has started every time since doing this bypass, by the way drove me crazy for about a month till I got it all working. or you can take it to any car alarm remote start installer and they shoud be able to bypass the security system for you.
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jhodges wrote:
mine was doing the same thing, I bypassed the starter disable by wiring resistors (equal to your key resistor) inline with the 2 wires that measure the resistance across the key in the steering column. then i installed a bypass for the signal that the computer is looking for to enable the fuel. you can purchase this module on ebay here:

Link

Mine has started every time since doing this bypass, by the way drove me crazy for about a month till I got it all working. or you can take it to any car alarm remote start installer and they shoud be able to bypass the security system for you.

IS IT SOMETHING I CAN DO MYSELF WITHOUT MESSING ANYTHING UP. OR SHOULD I TAKE IT TO THE PROFESSIONALS?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptyWed Jul 18, 2007 5:29 pm

not that hard other than having to stand on your head in the floorboard for a while. if you can take the panel under the dash off under the steering wheel, and trace the wire going to the ignition switch, it will be real small, mine was both wires in a black cover.  (CAUTION DO NOT CUT ANY YELLOW WIRES THESE ARE YOUR AIRBAGS) but I have heard that the cover varies in color. after cutting this wire you have to remove the cover to expose the 2 wires inside, mine were white. measure the resistance of your key chip if you don't already know what that is and solder a total resistor or series of resistors that is equal to the one in your key across these 2 wires. this will make your computer think the key is in the ignition all the time, and will disable your security system. these wires tend to breakdown with age and constant turning of the ignition cylinder. My riviera had an issue with the BCM ( passkey module) and that is why I had to use the electronic module above to enable the fuel pump, you may or may not have to go that far. That is also a simple procedure, just a matter of tracing the wires to the PCM. and being SURE you have the correct one because you have to cut into this wire and attach the blue wire from the module to the VATS or fuel enable wire to your computer. On my 95 it was a dark blue wire on the white PCM connector about the 3rd pin from the right end of this connector. On the module the red wire goes to a 12 volt, and the black to a ground. I have a diagram that shows what all the pins on the PCM are and at what locations on which connector. If you decide to try this and want it I will send it to you in an e-mail

If you doubt you can do it take it to a car alarm installer and let them do it. most of them install remote starter kits and thats really all you are trying to do is disable the security system. whether you install the remote start option is up to you.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptyThu Jul 19, 2007 7:45 am

I wouldn't do it. I'd let a professional take a look at it and keep the pass II security feature. Sure it's not unbreakable, but it's better than nothing.
If you get an stimate from a shop, you can then look for the parts and i'm sure you replace things as you need to.
Again, i wouldn't remove the security feature.
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PostSubject: ignition Help   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptySat Dec 08, 2007 10:02 pm

Ok I had to replace my steering column today on my 95 riv sc everything works fine got it in and hooked everything up. Everything worked (interior lights, antenna, everything electrical, batttery), but the car would not start. Any info on this I thinkin that I got to replace the ignition the key that came with the steering column was a little bend
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptySun Dec 09, 2007 12:12 am

your VATS module isnt seeing the right resistance from the little pill in the new key.. you might be able to swap the key lock cylinders. or you will need a new key with the correct resistance.. ive seen genuine GM key blanks on ebay for cheap,and all you have to do is let them know what the resistance is in your factory key..then when you get it have it cut...
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it was the key resistor pellet this is the highest I ever paid for a key 90 bucks
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptyMon Dec 10, 2007 2:44 pm

where did you buy it??
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptyMon Dec 10, 2007 3:01 pm

Another way around this would be to add the correct resistor to the vats system under the column. This usually takes about an hour and costs under $5.
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PostSubject: Security light stays on for approx. 5 minutes after starting   Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security EmptyMon Jul 07, 2008 10:45 pm

I posted this question in the PA section at www.RegalGS.org but have not got any help. Perhaps you folks can help.

The vehicle is a 95 Park Avenue(my daily driver)

All of a sudden the security light started staying on for approx. five minutes after I start the engine. Then it goes off until it is turned off and started again...

I tested the alarm and it works as it should.
I also cleaned the key and checked the fuse.

Thanks for any tips.

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Is it causing any other problems?
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On the riv its adjustable....just rotate the knob on the light switch

Edit: Wait....thats the dimmer....its the sliding switch directly below the light switch...it says, "AUTO MAX...........AUTO MIN"
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deekster_caddy wrote:
Is it causing any other problems?

Not yet.
I figure its the chip in the key, but I waste a lot of money, just figuring.

Bert:tavis:
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I have the same problem on my 95 Riv.
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this is an easy fix based on the amount of steps you have to follow. on my mitchell on-demand disk its says to:

ENGINE CRANKS AND STARTS, SECURITY INDICATOR LIGHT STAYS ON
1.turn ignition off. disconnect decoder module. turn ignition on. if security light goes out, decoder module is not programmed or a system fault is present while engine is running. to determine cause, see security indicator light either flashes or stays on always.
2.if securit light does not go out, determine if vehicle is equipped with universal theft deterrent(utd). if vehicle is not equipped with utd, repair short to ground in dark green wire.
3.if vehicle is equipped with utd, disconnect utd module/theft deterrent module. if security light goes out, see universal theft deterrent system testing. if security light does no go out, repair short to ground in dark green wire.

THE DECODER MODULE IS LOCATED BEHIND THE TOP RIGHT SIDE OF THE INSTRUMENT PANEL.

LEMME KNOW IF YOU NEED THE INFO FOR security indicator light either flashes or stays on always OR universal theft deterrent system testing.
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look at the chip in the key, if the chip is grinded down lower on the end where it goes into the ignition then you will prolly want to replace the key also. sooner or later you will not be able to start the because of that chip being like. the security light will continue to flash or remain on and the engine will not crank. (mine does this). if that happens then you have to turn the key back to the acc position and let it sit there till the light goes off and then try to start it.

but again lemme know how that goes and if you need more info to test it.
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'96reese wrote:
this is an easy fix based on the amount of steps you have to follow. on my mitchell on-demand disk its says to:

ENGINE CRANKS AND STARTS, SECURITY INDICATOR LIGHT STAYS ON
1.turn ignition off. disconnect decoder module. turn ignition on. if security light goes out, decoder module is not programmed or a system fault is present while engine is running. to determine cause, see security indicator light either flashes or stays on always.
2.if securit light does not go out, determine if vehicle is equipped with universal theft deterrent(utd). if vehicle is not equipped with utd, repair short to ground in dark green wire.
3.if vehicle is equipped with utd, disconnect utd module/theft deterrent module. if security light goes out, see universal theft deterrent system testing. if security light does no go out, repair short to ground in dark green wire.

THE DECODER MODULE IS LOCATED BEHIND THE TOP RIGHT SIDE OF THE INSTRUMENT PANEL.

LEMME KNOW IF YOU NEED THE INFO FOR security indicator light either flashes or stays on always OR universal theft deterrent system testing.

Thanks for the information.

Where is the "dark green wire" located?
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'96reese wrote:
this is an easy fix based on the amount of steps you have to follow. on my mitchell on-demand disk its says to:

ENGINE CRANKS AND STARTS, SECURITY INDICATOR LIGHT STAYS ON
1.turn ignition off. disconnect decoder module. turn ignition on. if security light goes out, decoder module is not programmed or a system fault is present while engine is running. to determine cause, see security indicator light either flashes or stays on always.
2.if securit light does not go out, determine if vehicle is equipped with universal theft deterrent(utd). if vehicle is not equipped with utd, repair short to ground in dark green wire.
3.if vehicle is equipped with utd, disconnect utd module/theft deterrent module. if security light goes out, see universal theft deterrent system testing. if security light does no go out, repair short to ground in dark green wire.

THE DECODER MODULE IS LOCATED BEHIND THE TOP RIGHT SIDE OF THE INSTRUMENT PANEL.

LEMME KNOW IF YOU NEED THE INFO FOR security indicator light either flashes or stays on always OR universal theft deterrent system testing.

Thanks for the info.

My PA has the UTD and I tested, it works.

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'96reese wrote:
look at the chip in the key, if the chip is grinded down lower on the end where it goes into the ignition then you will prolly want to replace the key also. sooner or later you will not be able to start the because of that chip being like. the security light will continue to flash or remain on and the engine will not crank. (mine does this). if that happens then you have to turn the key back to the acc position and let it sit there till the light goes off and then try to start it.

but again lemme know how that goes and if you need more info to test it.
This is exactly the way ours is. I thought the key also since one is really used looking. Started using the spare set which looks new but still doesthe same thing. Some days it never does it than some it does it every start or twice in a row. I'm guessing VATS delete thru the ECM would cure this?????
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Mine does it every time, after approx. five minutes it clears.

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I was BSing with my mechanic (Doug) at the local dealership and mentioned this - he said you can try using a Q-tip with contact cleaner (or dry gas) on it to clean the contacts in the ignition switch. You can *just* see the contacts when you look in the switch (you may need a bright light behind you shining into it, or a flashlight). Move the qtip in such a was as not to shove crud into the keyhole. typically means:

- look in first
-wet qtip with cleaner/dry gas
- put qtip in keyway against top or bottom edge
-pull back out against contacts
- repeat with another wetted clean qtip
- finish by wiping dry with dry qtip...

Let us know how this works.

For the rest of you - this is not bad 'once a year' PM.

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Thanks, I will try that this weekend.

Bert tavis
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