| Phenolic intercooler core | |
|
|
Author | Message |
---|
7901mark Enthusiast
Name : Mark Joined : 2010-04-22 Post Count : 127 Merit : 6
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:54 am | |
| - Karma wrote:
- 7901mark wrote:
- so all this is just for fun.
Everything should be for fun! Especially for cars. Once it stops being fun, it should stop being done! 
Exactly! Im new to the whole GM scene, so Im learning as I go....if the gains are minimal, then I wasted $135, but learned a lot! I figured it was a good trade off. |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:26 am | |
| |
|
 | |
7901mark Enthusiast
Name : Mark Joined : 2010-04-22 Post Count : 127 Merit : 6
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:19 pm | |
|
Last edited by 7901mark on Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:03 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:00 pm | |
| |
|
 | |
Mr.Riviera Expert

Name : Matthew Age : 31 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4392 Merit : 101
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:59 pm | |
| Just got my core in the mail (was shipped out Monday). It looks every bit as good as the pictures. Nice job on the CNC work. Thanks Ed. _________________ 1996 with 254k miles, L32 4" FWI -> ported N* -> Ported Gen V w/3.0" Pulley, Stage 3 Phenolic I/C, ZZP FMHE, 1.84 RR, Headers and 3" pipe to mufflers, F-body brakes, and lowered on Eibachs. -RIP AMG C400 White on black -daily  |
|
 | |
charlieRobinson Expert

Name : Charlie Age : 32 Location : Toledo, OH Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3911 Merit : 30
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:19 am | |
| dont tell anyone.. but i was thinking of getting an intercooler to go under it. But i think i am going to wait. cant do everything at once or there wont be anything to look forward to in the future, right?
Anyone heard of the phenolic cooler cores the dude on the grand prix is selling? Anyone know much about them compared to say, ZZP cores? |
|
 | |
matt270avian Expert

Name : Matt Age : 22 Location : Frederick, MD Joined : 2012-01-15 Post Count : 2678 Merit : 49
 | Subject: temp Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:52 am | |
| I think those cores are a bit smaller than what zzp sells. If you're intercooling go big or go home. |
|
 | |
AA Administrator

Name : Aaron Age : 40 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18330 Merit : 240
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:10 pm | |
| Can only go so big before you need to worry about hood clearance. I think the SSIC was a nice mod for the price. Almost bought one a while ago, but it was just a little too much at the time, and didn't really need it for daily use. I may reconsider at some point, if I decide to race the Riv some more. _________________ '98 SC Riviera 281k miles 298 HP/370 TQ 0-60: 5.79s ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 4087 lb 20.1 avg MPG Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180Ί t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '05 GTO 85k miles 0-60: 4.8s 16.9 avg MPG Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26 Because fun'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 116k miles 455 Rocket V8 Because cool'95 Celica 152k miles 0-60: yes Because free |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:37 pm | |
| |
|
 | |
charlieRobinson Expert

Name : Charlie Age : 32 Location : Toledo, OH Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3911 Merit : 30
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:52 pm | |
| - sseilmnop2 wrote:
- Update core design.
Arent you the dude selling these on the grand prix forum!? Please elaborate. Thank you |
|
 | |
Mr.Riviera Expert

Name : Matthew Age : 31 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4392 Merit : 101
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:00 pm | |
| The ones he is selling are the biggest you will be able to go without removing the under hood liner and touching the hood. I bought one from Ed a long time ago and im still happy with it. I am interested in hearing what's changed. maybe ill sell mine cheap to someone on here looking for a deal and ill buy the "new" version  _________________ 1996 with 254k miles, L32 4" FWI -> ported N* -> Ported Gen V w/3.0" Pulley, Stage 3 Phenolic I/C, ZZP FMHE, 1.84 RR, Headers and 3" pipe to mufflers, F-body brakes, and lowered on Eibachs. -RIP AMG C400 White on black -daily  |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:34 pm | |
|   2-1/4 thick. 1-1/2 phenolic Comes pre-sealed. Fully working PCV NO MODIFICATIONS TO MANIFOLD REQUIRED Same size core ZZP with more fins per inch. |
|
 | |
Abaddon Expert

Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4210 Merit : 175
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:58 pm | |
| So, this core is comparable to the ZZP SS Intercooler Core? Or is it made to perform with the full size? |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:31 pm | |
| It is compatible in size to stage 2 intercooler, full size. It has a little better fins per inch 32 versus 28 and the length width and thickness are the same or slightly bigger.
The PCV works with the stock manifold. You can open up the manifold inlet for better flow but you don't have to.
Don't forget 1-1-2 thick phenolic and a better price. |
|
 | |
charlieRobinson Expert

Name : Charlie Age : 32 Location : Toledo, OH Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3911 Merit : 30
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:50 pm | |
| whys it look like the fins are at an angle and not parallel with the cutout ? Just curious.  LOL zzp says, "28 fins per inch (much higher than any of our competitors)" I guess they dont know about Ed! And whats the S3? I only see short stacks, and S2s? |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:59 am | |
| The core is angled a little to fit between the PCV ports.
Stage 3 were phenolic full size made by ZZP Up until 2010. They haven't sold them for four years. They sold them at a premium price. |
|
 | |
ironclyde Enthusiast

Name : Cody Age : 55 Location : Tucson Joined : 2014-01-19 Post Count : 156 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:20 pm | |
| It makes me wonder what can be done with a 3D printer... |
|
 | |
turtleman Expert

Name : Codith Age : 30 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3601 Merit : 125
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:10 pm | |
| I don't know that a 3D printer can run material that's tough enough for this. You could easily make a model as long as you can draft it digitally but not a working enclosure you could actually use.
If I were in the market, I'd probably go right for this. With the pipes coming out at an angle like that, you probably wouldn't even have to make clearance on the G/H body belt tensioner assembly.
Ed, do you have a pic of that area installed on your Bonne? |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:45 am | |
| |
|
 | |
charlieRobinson Expert

Name : Charlie Age : 32 Location : Toledo, OH Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3911 Merit : 30
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:28 am | |
| Are fans per inch necessarily a good thing? I've read.. one of the downsides to intercooling is the intake restriction?  and it makes me think there might be a secret number to for fins per cm that creates best gains per restriction. If higher ratio fins are available then why doesnt ZZP use them? I doubt there are side by side dynos with same car just different fin per inch intercooler cores to prove this either way. Hey, Ed. Do you make phenolic spacers like ZZPs? http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/p/1414-M90-Phenolic-Spacer.aspx |
|
 | |
matt270avian Expert

Name : Matt Age : 22 Location : Frederick, MD Joined : 2012-01-15 Post Count : 2678 Merit : 49
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:07 am | |
| - charlieRobinson wrote:
- Hey, Ed. Do you make phenolic spacers like ZZPs?
http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/p/1414-M90-Phenolic-Spacer.aspx
Are these reaaally a thing that works? We found one while looking into doing the Windstar UIM swap on my friend's Mustang, claimed 7+hp gains over stock. Not sure I believe that.... Even if it does provide gains, who would be able to even fit one with an intercooler? |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:00 am | |
| |
|
 | |
charlieRobinson Expert

Name : Charlie Age : 32 Location : Toledo, OH Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3911 Merit : 30
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:07 am | |
| I think a phenolic spacer/heat sink might be a good combo with E85.
Ed, do you do 1" spacers?
I just collected all my bolts for gen V, not really trying to add 1 inch to them all right now. but would be good to know in the future if i want to experiment and raise the crowning jewel in the engine bay. |
|
 | |
sseilmnop2 Rookie

Name : Ed LaBarge Joined : 2011-02-10 Post Count : 19 Merit : 1
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:07 am | |
| I will have 1/4" shorty. Willing to do 1" and will do with an order. |
|
 | |
turtleman Expert

Name : Codith Age : 30 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3601 Merit : 125
 | Subject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:56 pm | |
| Ed, do you have a model/drawing of your IC? I am looking around for a map of the bolt pattern and whatnot for the lower intake. I want to see what I can move around to get an 05-06 Ford GT blower on with an IC. |
|
 | |
| Phenolic intercooler core | |
|