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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:54 am

Karma wrote:
7901mark wrote:
so all this is just for fun.

Everything should be for fun! Especially for cars. Once it stops being fun, it should stop being done! wink

Exactly! Im new to the whole GM scene, so Im learning as I go....if the gains are minimal, then I wasted $135, but learned a lot! I figured it was a good trade off.
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:26 am

That intercooler looks like its from minichopper6hp from grandprixforum.net. I didn't know he was still making them. He was banned for scamming on the forum, but don't know any of the details. I saw one of his intercoolers at the dragstrip, it worked well.


Looks like this one.
http://www.grandprixforums.net/custom-gen-v-phenolic-intercooler-many-extras-special-price-one-day-only-36550.html
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:19 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:00 pm

FYI, my for sale thread was deleted on clubgp.

Still have one on 3800pro

http://www.3800pro.com/forum/sale/34886-phenolic-intercooler-gen-3-iii-gen-5-v-l67-l32-eaton-m90-stage-3-a.html
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:59 pm

Just got my core in the mail (was shipped out Monday). It looks every bit as good as the pictures. Nice job on the CNC work.
Thanks Ed.

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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:19 am

dont tell anyone.. but i was thinking of getting an intercooler to go under it. But i think i am going to wait. cant do everything at once or there wont be anything to look forward to in the future, right?

Anyone heard of the phenolic cooler cores the dude on the grand prix is selling? Anyone know much about them compared to say, ZZP cores?
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PostSubject: temp   Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:52 am

I think those cores are a bit smaller than what zzp sells. If you're intercooling go big or go home.
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:10 pm

Can only go so big before you need to worry about hood clearance. I think the SSIC was a nice mod for the price. Almost bought one a while ago, but it was just a little too much at the time, and didn't really need it for daily use. I may reconsider at some point, if I decide to race the Riv some more.

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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:37 pm

Update core design.

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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:52 pm

sseilmnop2 wrote:
Update core design.



Arent you the dude selling these on the grand prix forum!?  dunce 

Please elaborate.

Thank you
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:00 pm

The ones he is selling are the biggest you will be able to go without removing the under hood liner and touching the hood.

I bought one from Ed a long time ago and im still happy with it.

I am interested in hearing what's changed. maybe ill sell mine cheap to someone on here looking for a deal and ill buy the "new" version happy

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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:34 pm





2-1/4 thick. 1-1/2 phenolic
Comes pre-sealed.
Fully working PCV
NO MODIFICATIONS TO MANIFOLD REQUIRED

Same size core ZZP with more fins per inch.
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:58 pm

So, this core is comparable to the ZZP SS Intercooler Core? Or is it made to perform with the full size?
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:31 pm

It is compatible in size to stage 2 intercooler, full size.  It has a little better fins per inch 32 versus 28 and the length width and thickness are the same or slightly bigger.  

The PCV works with the stock manifold.  You can open up the manifold inlet for better flow but you don't have to.

Don't forget 1-1-2 thick phenolic and a better price.
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:50 pm

whys it look like the fins are at an angle and not parallel with the cutout ? Just curious.  ?

LOL zzp says, "28 fins per inch (much higher than any of our competitors)"

I guess they dont know about Ed!

And whats the S3? I only see short stacks, and S2s?
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:59 am

The core is angled a little to fit between the PCV ports.

Stage 3 were phenolic full size made by ZZP Up until 2010. They haven't sold them for four years. They sold them at a premium price.
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:20 pm

It makes me wonder what can be done with a 3D printer...
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:10 pm

I don't know that a 3D printer can run material that's tough enough for this. You could easily make a model as long as you can draft it digitally but not a working enclosure you could actually use.

If I were in the market, I'd probably go right for this.
With the pipes coming out at an angle like that, you probably wouldn't even have to make clearance on the G/H body belt tensioner assembly.

Ed, do you have a pic of that area installed on your Bonne?
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:45 am

Take a look at install on grandprixforum.

Hybrid Phenolic Intercooler Aluminum/Phenolic w/ VW radiator install http://www.grandprixforums.net/showthread.php?t=91993
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:28 am

Are fans per inch necessarily a good thing?

I've read.. one of the downsides to intercooling is the intake restriction? study  and it makes me think there might be a secret number to for fins per cm that creates best gains per restriction. If higher ratio fins are available then why doesnt ZZP use them? study

I doubt there are side by side dynos with same car just different fin per inch intercooler cores to prove this either way.



Hey, Ed. Do you make phenolic spacers like ZZPs?
http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/p/1414-M90-Phenolic-Spacer.aspx
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:07 am

charlieRobinson wrote:
Hey, Ed. Do you make phenolic spacers like ZZPs?
http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/p/1414-M90-Phenolic-Spacer.aspx


Are these reaaally a thing that works? We found one while looking into doing the Windstar UIM swap on my friend's Mustang, claimed 7+hp gains over stock. Not sure I believe that.... Even if it does provide gains, who would be able to even fit one with an intercooler?
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:00 am

Fins per inch are always better in theory.  The more surface area you get better the heat exchanger you get.  The down side of all heat exchangers is the restriction you are putting in the air flow.  There isn't enough money in intercooler for 3800 engines that anyone is going to do a 1 to 1 comparison.  We don't even use specific heat exchanges in the intercoolers made for intercooling.  We use heater cores from Ford Probes or Lincolns like my new design that are to wide(problems with PCV).  

My current design has a working PCV without LIM modification.  I bought my own CNC mill to make all the parts myself.  I still use 1-1/2 thick piece of phenolic in the center, that a great heat barrier.  I'm cheaper than ZZP.  I'm not getting rich from my intercooler design but I'm making a better intercooler that you don't have to buy from ZZP.  I believe the slight increase in fins per inch along with the phenolic material in the middle makes my intercooler the best one on the market.

Look at the temperature of my supercharger, and the temperature of the alumunium radiator water neck.  It was a 35 degree day but my supercharger is 113.3 degrees colder than the engine!

I do make 1/4" phenolic spacers. I will have some in about a week for gen 3 or gen 5 superchargers.









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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:07 am

I think a phenolic spacer/heat sink might be a good combo with E85.

Ed, do you do 1" spacers?

I just collected all my bolts for gen V, not really trying to add 1 inch to them all right now. but would be good to know in the future if i want to experiment and raise the crowning jewel in the engine bay.
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:07 am

I will have 1/4" shorty. Willing to do 1" and will do with an order.
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PostSubject: Re: Phenolic intercooler core   Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:56 pm

Ed, do you have a model/drawing of your IC? I am looking around for a map of the bolt pattern and whatnot for the lower intake. I want to see what I can move around to get an 05-06 Ford GT blower on with an IC.
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