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AZANC1995
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| | Subject: lost of power up hills !! Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:22 pm | |
| 3800 fuel injted, severe lost of power when I give it gas, or excelorate up hills, replaced plugs, wires, and fuel filter !! Ideles kinda rough |
| | | | albertj
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:45 pm | |
| | AZANC1995 wrote: | | 3800 fuel injted, severe lost of power when I give it gas, or excelorate up hills, replaced plugs, wires, and fuel filter !! Ideles kinda rough |
did you look at the other older postings to get some ideas about finding the problem, and if so what are you thinking it is?
if not, when might you start reading?
also please when you are looking at the other posts, you will see people put some details about their cars into their signature file, and if you do that too it gets *lots* easier to help you.
In the meantime here's the thing.
If you just got the car you probably need to catch up on all kinds of maintenance. Rivs do not like to be neglected and the wrenching can get expensive even if you are doing it yourself.
If you have had it a while there is stuff we can eliminate.
For instance you say you have new wires. There is a difference between wires that *Fit* versus wires that *work* - in general people have the best luck with the OE Delco wires, Taylors, Magnecors. Other wires sometimes are bad outta the box and sometimes just don't behave with the Riv's standard high-energy ignition.
Have you ever removed the injectors for cleaning? Maybe they are dirty and flooding the engine, which would give you loss of power when you try to accelerate.
Have you checked all the vacuum lines for leaks?
What kind of plugs did you use?
Do you know if you have any deficiencies in compression in any of the cylinders?
So yeah look at the older posts to get an idea of how people have solved problems similar to yours. Do some more diagnostics. If you plan on keeping the car a while then also now is a good time to shop for and buy a factory service manual, you'll need it.
And please post an update.
Albertj
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| | | | AZANC1995
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:45 am | |
| " Have you ever removed the injectors for cleaning? Maybe they are dirty and flooding the engine, which would give you loss of power when you try to accelerate." It does produce a lot of
fumes going up hill, have to lower windows, burning in the eyes !!
]This sounds like the prob, how hard is it to remove and clean,,,Can I preform this my self,,, I am pretty good with tools, do I need any SPECIAL tools ![[/size]
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| | | | crazyjackcsa
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:52 am | |
| I just got over a very similar problem, it was the injectors. Bad idle, no power. I had a mechanic friend handle it, ran me $150. Fixed the problem right up |
| | | | AZANC1995
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:13 am | |
| | crazyjackcsa wrote: | | I just got over a very similar problem, it was the injectors. Bad idle, no power. I had a mechanic friend handle it, ran me $150. Fixed the problem right up |
Thanx !!I will try this !! |
| | | | Crashtestdummy
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:18 pm | |
| For what it is worth, I had a similar problem some years ago with a 2.0L Dodge Aires stationwagon. My wife started complaining that the car lost power climbing hills or if she attempted to accelerate on flat terrain.
Suffice it to say that after spending an entire Saturday checking out a number of things, including replacing the mechanical fuel pump, blowing out the fuel lines back to the tank, replacing the fuel filter, etc., ad nausem, I gave up when the sun started to go down and began putting the car back together again.
I was getting ready to put the air filter back in the filter box and noticed some debris in the bottom of the box. When I went to clean in out, I started laughing.
A family of field mouse had built a nest in the outside air intake tube just forward of the filter box and the nest was restricting the flow of air when more air was required to burn the fuel under load.
At any rate, before tearing into the injectors, take a moment to check out the air path from the exterior of the Riv to as close to the engine as you can. If you have already made this check, my apologies for wasting your time.
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| | | | albertj
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:07 pm | |
| | Crashtestdummy wrote: | For what it is worth, I had a similar problem some years ago with an 2.0L Dodge Aires stationwagon. My wife started complaining that the car lost power climbing hills or if she attempted to accelerate on flat terrain.
Suffice it to say that after spending an entire Saturday checking out a number of things, including replacing the mechanical fuel pump, blowing out the fuel lines back to the tank, replacing the fuel filter, etc., ad nausem, I gave up when the sun started to go down and began putting the car back together again.
I was getting ready to put the air filter back in the filter box and noticed some debris in the bottom of the box. When I went to clean in out, I started laughing.
A family of field mouse had built a nest in the outside air intake tube just forward of the filter box and the nest was restricting the flow of air when more air was required to burn the fuel under load.
At any rate, before tearing into the injectors, take a moment to check out the air path from the exterior of the Riv to as close to the engine as you can. If you have already made this check, my apologies for wasting your time. |
This is important and a very good note - thanks, wish I'd remembered to suggest that. |
| | | | AZANC1995
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:56 am | |
| how hard is it to remove and clean the injectors for cleaning? ,,,Can I preform this my self,,, I am pretty good with tools, do I need any SPECIAL tools ????!
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| | | | albertj
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:45 pm | |
| | AZANC1995 wrote: | how hard is it to remove and clean the injectors for cleaning? ,,,Can I preform this my self,,, I am pretty good with tools, do I need any SPECIAL tools ????!
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you can do it yourself but you really ought to get the service manual for the car first, or at least a manual that shows R&R of injectors on the L67 engine. You also might consider getting a set of cleaned injectors from a junkyard or new or rebuilt ones from a car parts store.
Reason I am not posting instructions - they are not complicated but they are involved, including things to do to avoid injecting gas into yourself... and based on the problems you listed no kidding it's really best to get a manual, it will explain this and as well pretty much everything else you will need to catch up on the maintenance. The manuals are usually pretty cheap on eBay, less than $50 the set and sometimes you will find for less, if the seller says "make offer" probably $20 - $30 would do it.
Someone else might post instructions...
Albertj
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| | | | flyineagle96
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:13 am | |
| Make sure you have a ball hammer,you'll need it to hit your self in the head. After realizing, a can of SEAFOAM, would have been just as effective............  |
| | | | crazyjackcsa
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:23 am | |
| | flyineagle96 wrote: | | Make sure you have a ball hammer,you'll need it to hit your self in the head. After realizing, a can of SEAFOAM, would have been just as effective............ |
If the injectors are REALLY bad, Seafoam won't do it. Off come the injectors for a cleaning/rebuilding, or replacing.
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| | | | AZANC1995
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:58 am | |
| Thanx guys, really luv this RIDE !! Got manuals and will give it A try !! WILL try the SEAFOAM FIRST !! |
| | | | albertj
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:56 am | |
| | AZANC1995 wrote: | | Thanx guys, really luv this RIDE !! Got manuals and will give it A try !! WILL try the SEAFOAM FIRST !! |
glad you got a manual set, hope they are factory not Chilton - chilton will help but fac manuals are about as cheap nowadays.
please remember not to overlook the obvious. For instance we recently had another problem posted on the site, had us all speculating, turned out to be a detached/burned spark plug wire. So again please remember to check the obvious first, which may be easier now that you have a service manual set.
Albertj
EDIT: Below Robo mentioned Mr. Injector. I think he means http://www.mrinjector.us/, mrinjector.com is a spam site last I checked.
ALSO - be sure to check your nylon gas lines (around the engine) *immediatley* to see if they are cracked or something. That could be a problem. Many parts stores sell a repair kit for them for fairly short $$.
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| | | | robotennis61
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:04 pm | |
| any attempt at cleaning injectors while they are in the car is futile. they have to come out,and at the least you have to buy a injector service kit from mrinjector.com .it includes new filters new orings new pintle caps. at best you will notice a bump in smoothness and hp. the best course of action is to go to the junk yard and find a set of used injectors and send them off for cleaning. this way you will have a set in rotation. liquids,bug juice,sperm,vinegar,douche juice, nothing will restore the inj. filter that just degrades over time.if you have a 95 its time to address the issue and save your "juice" money for a six pak to drink while you service the injectors. over and out. |
| | | | AZANC1995
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| | Subject: Re: lost of power up hills !! Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:16 pm | |
| They are Factory Manuals !!!  |
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