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PostSubject: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu May 03, 2007 2:49 pm

any one got ideas on how to intercool the series 1? or know where to piece together a set up?
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu May 03, 2007 3:03 pm

I'd start by looking at IC cores made for other engines using the M62 blower, if any exist. Might be able to adapt one of those to mount to your intake manifold.

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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 12:20 am

can some one explain what an intercooler does? increase HP? benefits?

thanks...ive been seein the posts about them..but dont understand what they do..and theyre expensive..so they must be good.
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 12:43 am

Intercoolers cool the incoming air to an engine. They dont directly increase power per say, but allow for increased boost in forced induction applications. On a naturally aspirated motor, an intercooler would allow for a small power increase since colder air gives more power because it is denser than warm air, and the denser the air the more molecules are sucked in. Anyway intercoolers are more ideal in turbo and supercharged applications since the the compressed air heats up with more and more boost. This heat is what causes dreaded pre-detonation or knock. By adding an intercooler, smaller SC pulleys can be run because the heat is controlled and more boost can be added without fear of detonation (to a certain extent of course). Basically intercoolers are one of the best knock controlling mods and are a gateway to more power.
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 12:48 am

so they go below the SC and above the Manifold? am i correct?
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 12:54 am

xxsupergman25xx wrote:
so they go below the SC and above the Manifold? am i correct?
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Yep. In a roots blown application such as ours , there is a plate with a sort of radiator in it that has coolant flowing through it to absorb heat , which ran through another radiator in the front , known as a front mount heat exchanger , because of the use of coolant , this is known as a water to air intercooler

In turbo applications they commonly use air to air intercoolers , which route the turbo's boost charge into a heat exchanger directly without the use of coolant , and it is cooled by air.

Water to air- water cools the air.
air to air - air ( from outside) cools the air.

Making sense now?
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 12:58 am

I would like to add to Matt's explanation. You will never see intercoolers on NA engines for a few reasons.

• Because there is no supercharger to raise the intake air temp, no knock is created, so there is no need to cool down the intake air (it is already ambient temp).

• Intercoolers are not able to cool the intake air below ambient, so again it won't help a NA engine because even with the best CAI the intake air is ambient temp at best.

• Liquid/air Intercoolers operate using a core inside the intake manifold. This is a restriction that would slow down a NA engine. A supercharger makes up for by using boost to overcome the restriction.

• An intercooler adds a lot of weight, and so is only a good idea when you gain enough power from the mod that it justifies adding the extra weight. The only mod with this kind of gain is a power add (supercharger).

• N2O is actually a type of liquid/gas intercooler that can be used in NA engines, because it can cool the intake air to many degrees below ambient temp.

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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 1:00 am

perfect sense! thanks! thats pretty cool that some one thought of such a car part.
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 1:03 am

AA wrote:
I would like to add to Matt's explanation. You will never see intercoolers on NA engines for a few reasons.

• Because there is no supercharger to raise the intake air temp, no knock is created, so there is no need to cool down the intake air (it is already ambient temp).

• Intercoolers are not able to cool the intake air below ambient, so again it won't help a NA engine because even with the best CAI the intake air is ambient temp at best.

• Liquid/air Intercoolers operate using a core inside the intake manifold. This is a restriction that would slow down a NA engine. A supercharger makes up for by using boost to overcome the restriction.

• An intercooler adds a lot of weight, and so is only a good idea when you gain enough power from the mod that it justifies adding the extra weight. The only mod with this kind of gain is a power add (supercharger).

• N2O is actually a type of liquid/gas intercooler that can be used in NA engines, because it can cool the intake air to many degrees below ambient temp.

Thanks, i forgot to mention that they arent necessary on NA engines, just got distracted by the cold air thing,
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 1:08 am

and again...the 95(the abandoned child) left without a clear cut mod for an intercooler lol
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 1:11 am

xxsupergman25xx wrote:
and again...the 95(the abandoned child) left without a clear cut mod for an intercooler lol

Come to the dark side (Series II)....we have cookies twisted
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 1:13 am

mmmm i like cookiesssssss

if i didnt have only 62k on it...and be the exact color i love. i just bought the stock chrome OEMs. put a grand of work into it in the last 3 months.
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PostSubject: Re: intercooling?   intercooling? EmptyThu Jul 02, 2009 1:15 am

xxsupergman25xx wrote:
mmmm i like cookiesssssss

if i didnt have only 62k on it...and be the exact color i love. i just bought the stock chrome OEMs. put a grand of work into it in the last 3 months.

I hear ya, dont worry though, the lack of mod support will save you in the long run with the decreased strain/wear on your motor. Plus seeing KR pop up in scans is no fun frown
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