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PostSubject: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:28 am

Hi I've been reading all the treads about the rear arms/sway bars/control arms???? (In this diagram its part # 8.)

http://www.shopgmparts.com/schematics/A/AD95267.gif

What is it called? My mechanic says I need rear tie-rod ends and these control arms or sway bars as he call's them. Mine are really rusted. Need the bushings or tie rod ends that go near the wheels.

If I need to call salvage yards looking for the replacement parts what should I refer to these as. Totally BUMMED
Only ones I can find are GM $188 & $185 for the left and right side.

It bolts in, but the picture looks different from what is on the car, looks like bigger arms that bolt in the center and have bushings on the ends. Any help, I'm thinking I'm have to eat it and order them....RATS.

Thanks in advace for any advice. cry
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:37 am

In your diagram, the item labeled as #8 is the trailing arm adjustment link. At the end of the arm, where it connects to the rear control arm (#1), is the adjustment link outer tie rod (#5).

The sway bar and sway bar links are different items not shown in the diagram. These also connect to the rear control arm at a different location. The links may or may not be rusted, or needing replacement. Usually, the bar itself doesn't go bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:52 am

Thank you. Are these parts different on a 1997?
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:45 pm

Lisa, I made an error above (corrected). According to a parts diagram I have, the #8 part is called an adjustment link, and #5 is called an outer tie rod.

95-95 part numbers are different from 97-99. L & R sides are different for all years. '97-99 lists as considerably more expensive compared to the earlier years.

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EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:24 pm

Just found this picture on this site..I need the two arms top of the picture (thank you Brandon)

http://brandonlong.me/resizer.php?riv&img=IMG_20110422_161050.jpg

and forwarded to my mechanic he said the two bars at the top are rusting and will need replacing. I call salvage yards for a living and cannot find this part and the "tie rod ends" anyone else have this sistuation and what did you do?
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:24 pm

those are called "rear adjustment links" and are a MO-FO to find.in other words,NOT AVAILABLE from anyone but the dealer.
if you find em in a junk yard they will most probably be crap.
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:44 pm

Great it gets better...found it.....sitting down? That tiny piece of mental is $229.19 for ONE side!
On GM parts now...I'm not done I will hunt this down on every search engine and place on the planet till I find a better price.....They should be ashamed....talk about "hit 'em again.... GOOD! Harder!
$400 for two small parts! Give me a break!
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:52 pm

Lisa P wrote:
Great it gets better...found it.....sitting down? That tiny piece of mental is $229.19 for ONE side!
On GM parts now...I'm not done I will hunt this down on every search engine and place on the planet till I find a better price.....They should be ashamed....talk about "hit 'em again.... GOOD! Harder!
$400 for two small parts! Give me a break!

If you search the site you'll find a post from a Riv Performance member who fabricated his own. If you know someone who does fabrication, well, the writeup made it look very do-able.
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PostSubject: Found 'em!   Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:51 pm

Wow, car-part.com has "rear trailing arms" listed can get a pair from a yard in Florida off a 1997 Riviera for $60 for the pair. I shall forward the diagram and confirm this is the same part.

I call salvage yards for a living, found 11 yards in the south and west. A grade, 90 day warranty. Running $30- $100 for the pair. I hope Robo's warning does not hold true. Just want to shore up this car before the snow hits.

If you need some tips on finding stuff at salvage yards. (I call across the nation looking for a part 40 hours per week.) The site I like is car-part pro, you have to sign up but the search links are very specific. Don't be shy about letting them know it must be off of what ever year your Riv is. I was finding they were trying to give me a newer part off of an 2000. Other thing let them know you'll promptly send it back if its not the grade they claim. I want no second guesses. Got to get 'er done!

As far as the ends ... probably going to eat those and pony up for the GM parts unless someone has a better path will search the treads...

Thank you to those who posted replies! If you need a link to the yards that have these email me I saved the search. freak
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:12 pm

Found it!

http://www.jcwhitney.com/sway-bar-link-kit/p2020864.jcwx?filterid=d204y1997g2j1

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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:01 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:29 am

Nope I'm back JC does not have them! What a bunch of #$%#&^,

Rock Auto nope.......they were used in other GM cars. Still tracking....Don't know anyone who could fabricate them...what a can of worms that would be if they were off......I will find these parts.
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:22 am

Lisa, be careful not to purchase "trailing arms" or "sway bar links" by mistake. The parts you want are called "rear adjustment links" or as GM calls them "inner tie rods". You can buy these from GM parts direct for less than what the dealership charges.

Inner Tie Rods: LINK (Price: $170 per side)

Also Robo created a custom fab replacement option:

http://rivperformance.editboard.com/t7827-write-up-custom-rear-adjustment-links

NOTE: if you can find out why your adjustment links are bad, you might be able to rebuild them for lower cost. For example, the rubber boot seals are available for $11.25 ea: LINK

If ordering from GM Parts Direct, be sure to check exactly what is included before you order. They will not accept returns!

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3.4" pulley AL104 plugs 180 t-stat FWI w/K&N 1.9:1 rockers OR pushrods LS6 valve springs SLP headers ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts MaxAir shocks Addco sway bars UMI bushings GM STB Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus SS lines Brembo slotted discs DHP tuned Aeroforce Hidden Hitch


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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:58 am

Hi.. Thank you Aaron!

My mechanic say's they are almost rusted through. I do have two guys I work with that create the coolest parts for their bikes, I shall show the thread from Robo and see if its something they can do for me...I'm curious does the slight curve the original part has affect the alignment...did the cust/fab/replacement address that issue not following that part of the thread...and can my mechanic snap these in?

Thanks.... what a trip this part has been! (Okay.. I'm an old hippie girl.... busted!) cool
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:22 pm

The 2005 Park Ave had the same exact part 2564589L and 2564590R so I'm on my search will post the results.
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:20 pm

2005 Park Ave not the same part. 25954973 and it fits both sides. Pitch is different (the curve) which will affect the tow & in and out of the wheels. ( I had 1974, 1977, 1980 Corvettes, I know all about rear end alignment!)

The 1999, 1998, 1997 they claim (Original GM PARTS) is the right part. Well better then just working on the 1997. Junk yards are selling different links saying they are the same....My head hurts. shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:02 pm

I'm thinking maybe I am not supposed to replace these links...I mean what if the mechanic glanced at at them and thought yes the tie rod ends and the arms.....think they'd be an easy after market part...just to be safe?

The universe was telling me something. I got on the ground, slid under the car and felt them, yanked on them...they seem fine...surface rust...but solid...got a friend who rebuilt motorcycles to feel 'em...he said why are you going there?

I have found a few pairs out west...and in the south...like $100- $110 shipped....


Should I leave 'em alone or risk buying parts at the junk yard?
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:35 pm

only way to tell would be to grind the rust. if it is really surface rust then a repaint with chassis black POR-15 or its cousins (oxygen-scavenging epoxies IIRC) would fix you up, and maybe add replacement tie rod ends for good measure (a full-line MOOG chassis parts place should be able to find you some that will fit).
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PostSubject: Rear adjustment links for 1997 Riviera update    Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:52 pm

Found a perfect match...

http://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/16/67/12/77/found_16.jpg

These are off of a 1997.

Mine are very rusty and the ends are falling apart. No Hollander (Using the GM part ) part number. Located them by calling a yard that specializes in GM and the part guy knew exactly what I meant. Love the salvage yards. thumbsup
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:16 pm

Show us pics then maybe believe!!! razz
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:07 pm

OKAY>>> Here they are...and they are in FANTASTIC SHAPE.....$80 for the pair.

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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:12 pm

Found them in OREGON off a 1997 for $80 for the pair...my ends are blown in the rear....
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PostSubject: Rear suspension.   Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:20 am

So I've been reading through these forums since my dad brought home a 95 Riviera. I'm working on cleaning it up and getting it sorted as we speak. Right now, I'm working on getting the rear suspension worked out. All the rubber components are cracked and caked in road grime, so I'd like to replace them. I can get LCA bushings, and the shock and mount, and air lines. I'm trying to find out whether the rear outer tie rod is the same as the front? The ball joint is pretty bad. Also, anywhere I can get rear link bushings? And the bushings between the rear link member and the body?

Thanks in advance!
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:53 am

Welcome! I'm not sure if the tie rods are a different size. Link Bushings may be a dealer only part. Not sure. I ran new lines and a valve underneath my bumper. Your air shocks are likely spent as well. They're affordable and easy to install . Good fortune to you in your fixing!
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PostSubject: Re: Rear adjustment links and tie rods for Riviera   Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:21 pm

I spent HOURS on the internet looking for the rear outer ends. Never could find them. Found the complete rear adjustable link's and ends at a salvage yard in Oregon.

After taking some major crap from a some of the guys who post here ("could not find a part at the urinal at Madison Square Garden") I was just looking for some help for gosh sakes. God only knows what that was about....

Anyway....The difference in the ride is (after the links were swapped out) is a MAJOR IMPROVEMENT!

The old rubber ends were pancaked completely on one side, the other half of it was hanging off. Used to do a real thud...thud now it's like riding in a new car. Made more of a difference then replacing the shocks did. Good luck...I could not find a Holander part number, but if you go to car-part.com do a search talk to some of the older guys I'm sure you'll locate some. Have them send you pictures of the parts first if possible. Oh and the non tie rod ends needed to be machined they ended up being quarter inch too thick... These did come off a 1997 so my mechainc is still not sure what that was about ???
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