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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:50 pm

How often are you guys changing the oil in the SC, by the way.

I did mine shortly after buying the car and haven't done it since. I'm sure it's due, I have about 40K miles on it since last change.

I figure I should add to the list of things to do at every 30k miles, probably with every Trans Fluid change would be a good point to do it.

What do you think.?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:14 pm

I change SC oil when I do the trans fluid and plugs every 25k miles. I check the level about every other oil change.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:36 pm

I haven't checked the SC oil level because I haven't seen any leaks or weepage.

Hell, I haven't checked under the back seat to get a look at my battery in over 3 years, now that I think about it.

Whenever I have done work under the hood that requires disconnecting the battery, I just disconnect the connection under the hood and tape off the battery cable coming from the back of the car. Has worked for me.
I guess that is born from having a bad back and not wanting to crouch in the back seat area in an uncomfortable position and jerk the seat bottom up. The last time I did that I regretted it. This is the simple stuff I have to pay someone to do for me nowadays. But I keep forgetting about the battery.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:52 pm

Rickw wrote:
I haven't checked the SC oil level because I haven't seen any leaks or weepage.

Hell, I haven't checked under the back seat to get a look at my battery in over 3 years, now that I think about it.

Whenever I have done work under the hood that requires disconnecting the battery, I just disconnect the connection under the hood and tape off the battery cable coming from the back of the car. Has worked for me.
I guess that is born from having a bad back and not wanting to crouch in the back seat area in an uncomfortable position and jerk the seat bottom up. The last time I did that I regretted it. This is the simple stuff I have to pay someone to do for me nowadays. But I keep forgetting about the battery.

Admit it, you're like me and just too lazy to clean off the back seat and lift the seat up. Just like the toilet seat. wink
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:54 pm

Thanks Rick, It is a 3/16 allen wrench. There was a bunch of dirt and debri way down inside the opening of the fill plug so thats why I couldn't get the allen wrench in there. I called and ordered a new fill plug because this one is getting pretty sloppy inside. It will be here Saturday. Thanks Again, Tom
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:20 am

Rickw wrote:
How often are you guys changing the oil in the SC, by the way.

I figure I should add to the list of things to do at every 30k miles, probably with every Trans Fluid change would be a good point to do it.

What do you think.?

AA wrote:
I change SC oil when I do the trans fluid and plugs every 25k miles. I check the level about every other oil change.


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PostSubject: The definitive answer to the S/C oil question   Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:52 pm

There is no definitive answer. According to Eaton," The oil used in our superchargers is classified. We have never used whale oil. Whale oil is like Ivory,it is not a tradable commodity"
Me: "My 1995 GM service manual,on the M62, offers 5w30 oil as a substitute for GM oil"
Eaton: "We cannot answer why GM allows 5w30 as a substitute.Our oil is a NYE 605.It is a gear oil"
Me: "Why doesn't GM offer 5w30 as a substitute oil in the M90 S/C"
Eaton: "We cannot answer why GM does not allow 5W30 oil as a substitute"

Sounds like a whole lotta whale shit to me. Ill continue using my PRO recommended blend of 5W30 syn oil with Lucas oil stabilizer.
Eaton can shove their stinky NYE 605 oil right back up their arses.

Another product recommended by Supercharger USA .com for their rebuilds.
The Redline stuff is used for high HP Blowers.
PSEsuperchargers.com,out of oklahoma,A S/C rebuilding company, only uses Mobil 15w50 oil.period.
Not one company i called use the GM oil.They go so far as to recommend it,but when asked if they use GM oil,the answer is no.Lotsa cooks in the kitchen but everybody is using different ingredients. Not following the recipe at all!
Update: According to a source,One of the ingredients in the GM oil is a Synthetic Castor bean oil. It just sounds more and more like Gm Wants to scare the consumer into buying Gm oil exclusively by engineering an Exotic S/C oil.
The performance S/C repair and rebuild industry would go out of business overnight if their superchargers burned up for failing to use the Eaton/GM recommended oil.


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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:46 pm

So wait.... Is Eaton saying that lightweight shockproof gear oil is good for their M90s? And if so... how much less $$$$ we talking about?

Wait... I just looked it up and you can get a 1 quart bottle of this stuff for about $11 on Amazon and that = 32 ounces. Last I checked, we put a little over 6 ounces in on a SC fluid change. If those bottles cost roughly the same amount for only 4 ounces, this is a pretty damn good deal.

Can anyone confirm? Not that I need oil now, just curious.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:37 pm

http://productsearch.nyelubricants.com/pdf/TDS_English_SYNTHETIC%20OIL%20605.pdf

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:52 pm

Well, the S/C oil is made of this......(I have a bottle)

Fatty Acids, C5-10, esters with dipentaerythritol
Phosphoric acid (1, 1-dimethylethy)
phenyl diphenyl ester

I suppose if we find an oil made up of the same shit we'd be ok.

I'm not a chemist, so I have no idea wtf any of that is except Fatty Acids and Phosphoric acid.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:16 pm

Well, the fatty acids definitely explain the rotten cheddar smell... puke
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:39 pm

Dam that shit, sure does smell like "ass"!!!! lol Hey,maybe we should put a used bottle, in the DUMP THREAD, so people can smell it.... nono
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PostSubject: temp   Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:30 pm

I can put the motor oil in the supercharged is that I live in mexico but here in my city can not find the special oil?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:35 pm

Ay caramba! What year is your car?
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:03 pm

another type of oil that can carry the SC, is that where I live is impossible to find the special oil, I live in mexico?


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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:04 pm

MY CAR IS THE BUICK RIVIERA 96 SUPERCHARGED
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:24 pm

go to ,Rockauto.com
you can order from them
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:54 pm

summit racing also carries gm supercharger oil for like $9 a bottle. that is what most gm dealers will charge you after the loyalty discount.

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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:02 pm

Carlos, do you have any General Motors dealers in your area?
In general, any GM dealer can order parts for any Buick, Olds, Chevy, etc...

The supercharger oil is part #12345982, and you need 2 bottles.
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PostSubject: Supercharger oil change cost...   Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:18 am

What can I expect to pay to have the oil changed on the Supercharger on my 98 Riv? I am taking it to a GM dealer. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:28 am

When I was at the dealer, we charged 1.0 labor ($90), and it's around $35-$40 for 2 bottles of oil. You're looking at about $130 total.

You're better off renting a vacuum pump from the parts store and doing it yourself. It's a simple job to do....
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:39 am

scrhodes4942 wrote:
What can I expect to pay to have the oil changed on the Supercharger on my 98 Riv? I am taking it to a GM dealer. Thanks

Do it yourself man! dont miss this opportunity to get close and personal with your Riv.I'm not supposed to tell you this but...when you get close and personal with a Riv,you join a secret society of druids.secrets of the universe will later be revealed to you....................
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:59 am

Robo, we've told you to stop huffing the bug spray dude.....razz
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:18 am

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What can I expect to pay to have the oil changed on the Supercharger on my 98 Riv? I am taking it to a GM dealer. Thanks

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if you buy 2 bottles of SC oil, then go to a dollar store and get a "turkey baster" (just ask they'll know and they'll likely have 'em) you can change the oil yourself.

- park the car **level** (so you don't goof emptying or filling the SC)
- SC oil bung plug is at base of SC snout
- try taking the plug out with allen wrench (if it is not in too tight a Torx will work bUT risks stripping)
- if plug is "stuck" warm up the car then take it out (usually when warm it comes out easy, plug is steel SC is a light alloy)
- suck out SC oil and discard per local regulations (if no local regs, use crumpled newspaper in a trash bag to soak it all up. Warning, it really smells bad)
- pour in replacement SC oil, til the oil level is at bottom of the threads of the SC oil check/fill hole
- replace SC oil bung plug.

If it is any comfort to you if you have your oil changes at a GM dealer they are supposed to check and top off the SC oil. This is hit-or-miss. At my dealer I find it depends on which mechanic does the OC. So unless I am overdue for the OC I just do it myself and check the SC fluid then. If I am overdue and in the dealer for other reasons (I consult to a client near one dealer) I will have dealer do OC. And check SC fluid.
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PostSubject: Re: Write-Up: Changing Supercharger Oil   Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:03 am

A link with step-by-step pictures is on page 1 of this thread, if you need visual reference.

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