| Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines | |
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BillBoost37 Junkie
Location : Enfield CT Joined : 2007-11-28 Post Count : 769 Merit : 26
| Subject: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Thu May 08, 2008 12:55 pm | |
| Got all the parts from Summit. they seemed to have the best prices. To go from hard metal lines to fuel rails. EAR-165006ERL Fitting, -6 AN Male to 3/8 in. Tube, Aluminum, Red/Blue, Each 1 $9.25 EAR-165056ERL Fitting, -6 AN Male to 5/16 in. Tube, Aluminum, Red/Blue, Each 1 $9.25 EAR-981506ERL Fitting, Coupler, Straight, Male -6 AN to Male -6 AN, Aluminum, Blue, Each 2 $5.90 SUM-220687 Fitting, Hose End, 90 Degree, -6 AN Hose to Female -6 AN, Aluminum, Red/Blue Anodized, Each 2 $25.90 SUM-220690 Fitting, Hose End, Straight, -6 AN Hose to Female -6 AN, Aluminum, Red/Blue Anodized, Each 2 $9.76 SUM-230610 Hose, Braided Stainless Steel, -6 AN, 10 ft. Length, Each 1 $36.95 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parts Total: $97.01 Handling Charge: $9.75 Total Order: $106.76 Total amount charged at this time: $106.76 I should have looked under my hood a little more and then I would have ordered one fitting differently. A straight piece instead of a bend for the supply line. Then the regulator would clear the line to the rail for supply. Either way.. it's fairly easy to do and looks amazing. From this To this Here's the cubby behind the strut that is enclosed by the AC drier A couple hose connections Cut a line or two In the 96-99 B'ville the lines run back to the firewall, to the passenger side behind the strut (no f'n room there) and that is where they convert to metal lines. Unclipping a line holder at the back and lower area of the engine bay I was able to get enough movement to gently pull the lines out from behind the strut one at a time. This gave me enough room to cut the old plastic off, attached the tube to AN fittings and hook them to the braided line which I ran along the firewall before connecting to the new fittings. Pushed the line back in and pulled the excess SS line back toward the rails. Made the rail connections and hoped for the best when I pressurized it the first time. No leaks and pressure is right where it was before. Only difference is no nylon lines to possibly kink. Then the plug wires fell off And due to Wylie Coyote ordering some plug wires from Acme Supply ... I was able to get them cheap off him after he crashed yet again. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Thu May 08, 2008 1:01 pm | |
| Very nice install, and good info Bill! I am thinking about doing something like this. I want to be able to play with E85. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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palermocorey90 Expert
Name : Corey Age : 34 Location : Rome NY Joined : 2007-10-03 Post Count : 2968 Merit : -24
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Thu May 08, 2008 6:32 pm | |
| want to send me the parts so i can try to do it | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Thu May 08, 2008 10:53 pm | |
| - AA wrote:
- Very nice install, and good info Bill! I am thinking about doing something like this. I want to be able to play with E85.
Needing fuel lines for E85 is a myth........ yes it SHOULD corrode the lines........ but it has NEVER done it to ANY Grand Prix or Regal that has changed to E85.... i read that on Clubgp.com | |
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albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31 Post Count : 8685 Merit : 181
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Sat May 10, 2008 8:38 am | |
| Wow! The "kit" answer to how to get rid of the nylon under-hood fuel pipes!
Albertj | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Sat May 10, 2008 4:42 pm | |
| - Quote :
- Needing fuel lines for E85 is a myth........ yes it SHOULD corrode the lines........ but it has NEVER done it to ANY Grand Prix or Regal that has changed to E85.... i read that on Clubgp.com
First, don't believe everything you see at ClubGP. I remember reading a thread there about defective INTENSE roller rockers that were supposed to destroy your engine. I've had those exact parts in my engine for 85k miles. Even if "several" L67-powered cars have done the conversion with no adverse effects, this doesn't mean there is absolutely no risk. Here is a portion of an E85 article from Wikipedia: "In addition to corrosion, there is also a risk of increased engine wear for non-FFV engines that are not specifically designed for operation on high levels (i.e., for greater than 10%) of ethanol. The risk primarily comes in the rare event that the E85 fuel ever becomes contaminated with water.
For ethanol contaminated with larger amounts of water (i.e., approximately 11% water, 89% ethanol, equivalent to 178 proof ethanol), considerable engine wear will occur, especially during times while the engine is heating up to normal operating temperatures. For example, just after starting the engine, low temperature partial combustion of the water-contaminated ethanol mixture takes place and causes engine wear. This wear, caused by water-contaminated E85, is the result of the combustion process of ethanol, water, and gasoline producing considerable amounts of formic acid (HCOOH, also known as methanoic acid and sometimes written as CH2O2).
Engines specifically designed for FFVs employ soft nitride coatings on their internal metal parts to provide resistance to formic acid wear in the event of water contamination of E85 fuel. Also, the use of lubricant oil (motor oil) containing an acid neutralizer is necessary to prevent the damage of oil-lubricated engine parts in the event of water contamination of fuel. Such lubricant oil was required by at least one manufacturer of FFVs (Chrysler). This requirement was later removed.
The primary method used to convert non-fuel-injected cars is two-fold. First, any non-compatible rubber parts and gaskets and terne gas tanks and terne fuel lines are replaced."For $100, It's good insurance, just in case the Wiki is right, and ClubGP is wrong. Besides, our plastic lines and rubber O-rings have been the suspected as the cause of gasoline leaks/engine fires anyway. I'd rather upgrade if running the extra-corrosive E85. I'll take my chances with the tank, but the possibility of leaks under the hood must be minimalized. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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TType_Riviera Fanatic
Name : Rob Age : 42 Location : ohio Joined : 2007-03-05 Post Count : 422 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Sat May 10, 2008 10:24 pm | |
| see my link in the other thread for full proof..with engine tear down pics... | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Sat May 10, 2008 11:28 pm | |
| - TType_Riviera wrote:
- see my link in the other thread for full proof..with engine tear down pics...
E85 is like a cute little bunny.... its not gonna hurt anything....... just make your riv silly fast | |
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BillBoost37 Junkie
Location : Enfield CT Joined : 2007-11-28 Post Count : 769 Merit : 26
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Mon May 12, 2008 8:09 am | |
| Corey.. wish I could. I'll say they are darn nice looking and now with 300+ miles on them are 100% tested in my book. All is well and the car is happy.
I came across this stuff via a GP buddy and another Bonne buddy's thread on ClubGP. If you search Swagelok you should find the thread. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:55 pm | |
| I'm planning to do something similar to Bill's set-up, but instead using ZZP's modified stock fuel rail. Is there a way to use SS lines with ZZP's rail? Can anyone recommend a good under-hood fuel pressure gage (with memory for WOT runs) that I can install permanently inline with this rail? Thanks in advance for your help. Here's the ZZP modified rail: _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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TType_Riviera Fanatic
Name : Rob Age : 42 Location : ohio Joined : 2007-03-05 Post Count : 422 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:08 pm | |
| swagelock stuff is cool...expensive though....used them for custom a/c lines before... | |
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BillBoost37 Junkie
Location : Enfield CT Joined : 2007-11-28 Post Count : 769 Merit : 26
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:26 am | |
| You sure can Aaron. - BillBoost37 wrote:
- General Info
Supply line is 3/8" or -6AN Return line is 5/16" or -5AN
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- With mine I adapted the return line to 3/8" (-6AN) so I would be able to use all the same fittings seeing as 5/16" (-5AN) size fittings are more difficult to get a hold of
Connectors to keep the stock type fuel rails Russel 3/8 Connector Russel 5/16 Connector
The the fittings for the other side (assuming the plastic fuel line is heated and shrunk to the metal line w/o any clips. 3/8 Earl -6an fitting to connect to metal line 3/8 Earl -6an fitting to connect to metal line
I think this fitting will screw into the filter and head back to the tank Screw on connector
A different connector suggestion Swagelok SS-600-6-6an
Hose 10' braided rated for 300F and 1,000psi 10' Summit braided hose | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:17 pm | |
| Thanks, Bill. A couple of questions for you:
Do you think AN-6 is needed, or would AN-4 hose be sufficient?
The Swagelock SS option - would that best be suited for tapping into the stock metal lines? I plan to cut off the stock rail connectors, so I want to just tap in to the raw rail. Would the Swagelocks work for this? Or, does the Earl's tube adapters make more sense? Is there a difference between the two other than materials/cost? _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Chicken Aficionado
Name : Mark Age : 58 Location : Montana Joined : 2008-06-13 Post Count : 1296 Merit : 8
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:58 pm | |
| I can't wait to get to Montana so I can start modding again..... 34 more days..... | |
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BillBoost37 Junkie
Location : Enfield CT Joined : 2007-11-28 Post Count : 769 Merit : 26
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:44 am | |
| Sorry for the delay.... home projects etc.
AN6 is what most aftermarket rails use for fittings and they were the easiest/most referenced parts by those that forged the path before me. I would probably stick to it in the future because of the hose sizing. It's basically the 3/8" line that our stock supply uses.
Swagelok vs Earls, my only experience was with Earl's. They worked good and I've had no leaking issues. | |
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chitown_riv98 Fanatic
Name : Ruben Age : 43 Location : Illinois Joined : 2008-03-10 Post Count : 399 Merit : 4
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:19 am | |
| I've sprung a leak on my driverside metal fuel lines. THe line that runs by the second subframe bushing.. THey were pretty rusty.. Trying to think of what to do
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Selcouth Amateur
Name : Jonny Location : Texas Joined : 2012-07-27 Post Count : 37 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:46 am | |
| Why not replace the line from the fuel filter to the front with stainless ones? | |
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chitown_riv98 Fanatic
Name : Ruben Age : 43 Location : Illinois Joined : 2008-03-10 Post Count : 399 Merit : 4
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:36 am | |
| That sounds like the best way to do it. I already had used a Dorman repair kit for the connection to the Fuel Filter. I assume I can get the right fittings or do I need to order the lines made already? I'm not familiar with flaring lines and such but just about everything else.. | |
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Selcouth Amateur
Name : Jonny Location : Texas Joined : 2012-07-27 Post Count : 37 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:59 am | |
| You should be able to get fittings to do it. Then just run a SS line. | |
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chitown_riv98 Fanatic
Name : Ruben Age : 43 Location : Illinois Joined : 2008-03-10 Post Count : 399 Merit : 4
| Subject: Re: Write-Up: SS Braided Fuel Lines Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:21 am | |
| Hey guys would these an-6 fittings connect to the stock fuel rail connector?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AN-Male-to-3-8-Female-Quick-Connect-Fuel-Rail-Line-Adapter-/181684657769?hash=item2a4d3fde69&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AN6-MALE-to-5-16-FEMALE-QUICK-CONNECT-FUEL-RAIL-LINE-FITTING-ADAPTER-/261805245404?hash=item3cf4cf03dc&vxp=mtr | |
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