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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySat Aug 09, 2008 1:22 pm

sittin in a tree....
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySat Aug 09, 2008 3:08 pm

Supercharged wrote:
r while she was on the rag?


haha this assholes the closest yet

Ah, I get the hint - "assholes wink"

Alex, what is "Fucked ur man-bitch up and down the car till he bled out the rectum."


(BTW dude I'm making jokes, if the're hitting close to home it's entirely unintentional)
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySat Aug 09, 2008 4:17 pm

Jack the R wrote:
Supercharged wrote:
r while she was on the rag?


haha this assholes the closest yet

Ah, I get the hint - "assholes wink"

Alex, what is "Fucked ur man-bitch up and down the car till he bled out the rectum."


(BTW dude I'm making jokes, if the're hitting close to home it's entirely unintentional)

lmfao i thought this topic was gonna go down hill and BE CLOSED!
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySat Aug 09, 2008 9:21 pm

Wah? I don't remember ever getting into it with you. No offense meant. FWIW though you were begging to be ribbed on this one.
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:22 am

You cut your finger, and you shook it because it hurt... then the blood went everywhere.

That's my guess.

But seriously, are you going to tell us what the hell it was?
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 1:20 pm

well i did tell aaron if the thread got bad to close it, i didnt think you would all take it as well as ya'll did

figured someone would say something stupid, someone probobly after this


I was at my old ladys cousins apartments. It was 2:30 in the morning and im leaving to go home. I walk alone down the stairs and get to the bottom. I was walking around the building to walk to the street where my car was. As soon as i took 2 or 3 steps some black dude came up from behind me, put his arm around my neck and slammed me to the ground. I never got a chance, 1 black dude jumped me probobly cause im white im guessing. anyways he beats the fuck outta me for atleast 5 minutes. I've never been hit in the same spot so many times, theres a perfect rip on my shirt where he was grabbing my shirt and hitting me over and over. I managed to get up and go to the riv. I have a shank for really shanking somebody and i opened the door and he pushed me in the riv. Ive got a badass kick, im lame and play hackysack so i kicked this fucker as hard as i could in his fuckin chin. that was the end of that, he got a taste of a white boy death kick is

i had my keys and my 10 bucks after it was over
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 2:33 pm

One thing I've noticed about being in the city, you've got to keep your eyes open for fuckers all the time. They're always out there looking for victims.

Glad you're o.k.!
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 2:44 pm

Supercharged wrote:
well i did tell aaron if the thread got bad to close it, i didnt think you would all take it as well as ya'll did

figured someone would say something stupid, someone probobly after this


I was at my old ladys cousins apartments. It was 2:30 in the morning and im leaving to go home. I walk alone down the stairs and get to the bottom. I was walking around the building to walk to the street where my car was. As soon as i took 2 or 3 steps some black dude came up from behind me, put his arm around my neck and slammed me to the ground. I never got a chance, 1 black dude jumped me probobly cause im white im guessing. anyways he beats the fuck outta me for atleast 5 minutes. I've never been hit in the same spot so many times, theres a perfect rip on my shirt where he was grabbing my shirt and hitting me over and over. I managed to get up and go to the riv. I have a shank for really shanking somebody and i opened the door and he pushed me in the riv. Ive got a badass kick, im lame and play hackysack so i kicked this fucker as hard as i could in his fuckin chin. that was the end of that, he got a taste of a white boy death kick is

i had my keys and my 10 bucks after it was over

A Kershaw knife with the "quick assist" opening mechanism might have helped. Very surprising how quick it can be removed and opened with one hand. You can get them at Stuff Mart in AL. I dont know about where you live.
Sorry to hear about this. Maybe you messed him up with that kick.
I would
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 2:48 pm

Wow, glad this had a happy ending! clap

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 3:01 pm

Wow, glad to hear you got out of there okay. My personal weapon of self defense:
1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 Aspchrlar
I used to have it in the Riv's console but after being told it was considered a lethal weapon by a friend of my dad's I have it next to my bed. Now I have a big metal bat in the backseat for baseball wink
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 3:24 pm

This is my Riv's first line of defense:

1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 Product

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
Because free
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 3:29 pm

Yep yep, I love my Maglite. I also have one next to my bed a size smaller than that one. I would buy one to put in the car but I feel like it's batteries will just run dead and I really don't need a flashlight that often. It does still make a great weapon even with dead batteries though.
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 3:30 pm

Because they are 4 big D cells, the batteries last as surprisingly long time. I think I've changed mine once in 5 years.

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 3:41 pm

Even after leaving it in the car in the cold and the heat? My Maglite holds 2 Ds and they're still the originals when I bought it I think but it hasn't been left in the car.
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 3:43 pm

I also carry a weapon in my car:

One of those souvenir baseball bats. I drilled a hole in the handle, and strung some boot string through it to use it as a billy club.

I've never needed it, but if I was in your situation, I would have used it for sure.

I also have a legal pocketknife, but I don't think I'd be able to use it in a pinch.

Glad you're okay man, he didn't win as far as I'm concerned.
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 3:52 pm

Shintsu wrote:
Even after leaving it in the car in the cold and the heat? My Maglite holds 2 Ds and they're still the originals when I bought it I think but it hasn't been left in the car.

I have it in the car about half the time. Having 4 batts really helps. I suppose when it gets really cold it would be a bit dim, but haven't noticed yet. Using good batteries (duracell) also makes a difference, imo.

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
Because free
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:07 pm

AA wrote:
Shintsu wrote:
Even after leaving it in the car in the cold and the heat? My Maglite holds 2 Ds and they're still the originals when I bought it I think but it hasn't been left in the car.

I have it in the car about half the time. Having 4 batts really helps. I suppose when it gets really cold it would be a bit dim, but haven't noticed yet. Using good batteries (duracell) also makes a difference, imo.

Even if its dim anything is better than no light at all. wink
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:25 pm

Huh, I'll have to look into that. I have Rayovacs in mine and they're still giving it plenty of juice. I looked on ebay and you can actually get the 5 and 6 D cell lights for about $35 after buy it now price and shipping costs. Pretty sure I paid $35 for my 2D. Heh, only thing then would be where to put that giant light, I think it's as big as the baseball bat in my backseat.
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:29 pm

that looks unsanitary lol
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:32 pm

Buapo wrote:
I also carry a weapon in my car:

One of those souvenir baseball bats. I drilled a hole in the handle, and strung some boot string through it to use it as a billy club.

I've never needed it, but if I was in your situation, I would have used it for sure.

I also have a legal pocketknife, but I don't think I'd be able to use it in a pinch.

Glad you're okay man, he didn't win as far as I'm concerned.

If I had a made it back to the car and coulda got to the "weapon"...
I have a .40 Glock with 16 rounds in my DD.
In the truck I keep the 44mag Anaconda.

I would sure hate to shoot someone but that would have unavoidable if the attacker was still coming after more.

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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:33 pm

4 D cells also weigh more than 2. wink

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In the truck I keep the 44mag Anaconda.

Wow, hope you never have to use that. If you do, I hope you are NOT inside the car when you fire. You could permanently mess up your hearing from doing that.

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
Because free


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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:34 pm

damn i keep a screwdriver inside the car and a pipe in the trunk for certain situations, ie a few weeks ago i was in uniform and was about to go out of town for some training when this guy was high off a pill and liquor and picked a fight with me. well with me, no fight is fair so i poked on him a few times with the screwdriver and knocked him unconscious with a punch to the temple. bastard got blood on my suede combat boots and uniform too. you should get a wooden bat and nail some nails through it and break that out in a jam. thatll get anyone off you
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:37 pm

Buapo wrote:
I also carry a weapon in my car:

One of those souvenir baseball bats. I drilled a hole in the handle, and strung some boot string through it to use it as a billy club.

I've never needed it, but if I was in your situation, I would have used it for sure.

I also have a legal pocketknife, but I don't think I'd be able to use it in a pinch.

Glad you're okay man, he didn't win as far as I'm concerned.

If you have a knife with the pocket clip that hangs on the inside of your pocket and can get one hand on it you can open it easily with you thumb. Its as fast as a switch blade, just not quite as long.
If you cant get it open but can get it in your hand it is just as lethal. Just hold it in your palm with your fist closed and you will see waht I mean.

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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 4:47 pm

now i know ive been in some fights but never like that...never got ran up from behind, i never had a chance until the end

im just happy to know i can take a total ass whoppin' hammer

cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick   1997 Supercharged Riviera by Buick - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 10, 2008 7:17 pm

question is what were you doing/done to him to make you get an assbeatin like that? ive done some foul stuff before and i would deserve a beatin like that but i cant see someone randomly picking you out to beat on, especially for 5 minutes lol thats some real malice right there. you bone his girl or something?
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