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ricos20002 Member
Name : Robert Age : 41 Location : Copperas Cove, Texas Joined : 2008-10-22 Post Count : 84 Merit : 1
| Subject: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:36 pm | |
| My first dyno run with 2.6 pulley and 36lbs injectors. Toping off lean 12.0. Real bad run, but my new chip from Sinister Performance should fix it and will be pulling another run in about a week, might be going to a smaller pulley too. | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:42 pm | |
| Makes power pretty quick.... falls on its ass at 4k though... Would you mind if i post mine just to compare the curves?? | |
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ricos20002 Member
Name : Robert Age : 41 Location : Copperas Cove, Texas Joined : 2008-10-22 Post Count : 84 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:47 pm | |
| sure I would like to see it too | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:49 pm | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:51 pm | |
| Main difference is my TQ curve is WAY different than yours.. i had headers, 1.9RR, and a 3.4 pulley and no tune on this dyno.. and zero cool down time between pulls | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:53 pm | |
| Notice that Travis' graph has the RPMs spaced out further apart, giving the illusion of a flatter curve. On the same graph format, I think they build about the same rate, but the '95 would start building sooner. Also the '95 started recording sooner.
The 4k dip looks like a shift or letting off the throttle. If the run was pushed to 5.5k RPM, I think it would look more "normal". Was this run done entirely at WOT in 2nd gear? _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:55 pm | |
| - AA wrote:
- Notice that Travis' graph has the RPMs spaced out further apart, giving the illusion of a flatter curve. On the same graph format, I think they build about the same rate, but the '95 would start building sooner.
The 4k dip looks like a shift or letting off the throttle Good Point! | |
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Rickw Guru
Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13 Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:56 pm | |
| 98riviera98 Wrote: Headers, 1.9's, Gen V, N*, 3.1
just your average 270whp riviera..
Is that just wishful thinking? or are you calculating future mod's in your current sig. ????
Based on the Dyno sheet your not there yet.!!!!!! | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:58 pm | |
| - Rickw wrote:
- 98riviera98 Wrote:
Headers, 1.9's, Gen V, N*, 3.1
just your average 270whp riviera..
Is that just wishful thinking? or are you calculating future mod's in your current sig. ????
Based on the Dyno sheet your not there yet.!!!!!! 270whp is conservative...... That dyno was right after i installed the headers and rockers... back when i had the gen 3 on and after it was tuned and i had the 3.15 on there i would have easily made 240-250whp gen v is an addtl 20whp plus i got injectors and e85.. i am hoping for 270whp but when i make 280whp i will be really happy | |
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ricos20002 Member
Name : Robert Age : 41 Location : Copperas Cove, Texas Joined : 2008-10-22 Post Count : 84 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:01 pm | |
| no it was done in 3rd gear at wot. That what the guy told me it sould be in | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:02 pm | |
| - ricos20002 wrote:
- no it was done in 3rd gear at wot. That what the guy told me it sould be in
Yup mine was in 2nd gear.. | |
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ricos20002 Member
Name : Robert Age : 41 Location : Copperas Cove, Texas Joined : 2008-10-22 Post Count : 84 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:04 pm | |
| does it make a difference? | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:05 pm | |
| - ricos20002 wrote:
- does it make a difference?
nah not really 3rd gear is the tranny's 1:1 ratio.. i had snow tires on the front of my car so my tuner didn't wanna wind it up to 130+mph on the dyno | |
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ricos20002 Member
Name : Robert Age : 41 Location : Copperas Cove, Texas Joined : 2008-10-22 Post Count : 84 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:07 pm | |
| thats what I thought about 3rd | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:08 pm | |
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- 270whp is conservative......
Your Riv makes 232 WHP. Go back to the dyno and get a better number. BTW, a 40 WHP jump is ANYTHING but conservative! FYI, my 248 WHP was done at 80ºF with 3.4" SC pulley. I know for a fact I'm making more power at 50ºF and a 3.3" pulley (~265 WHP), but I won't say it makes that much power until it's recorded on the dyno. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:11 pm | |
| - AA wrote:
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- 270whp is conservative......
Your Riv makes 232 WHP. Go back to the dyno and get a better number. BTW, a 40 WHP jump is ANYTHING but conservative!
FYI, my 248 WHP was done at 80ºF with 3.4" SC pulley. I know for a fact I'm making more power at 50ºF and a 3.3" pulley (~265 WHP), but I won't say it makes that much power until it's recorded on the dyno. ur right... so what your saying is that you want to race me from a dig? | |
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ricos20002 Member
Name : Robert Age : 41 Location : Copperas Cove, Texas Joined : 2008-10-22 Post Count : 84 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:14 pm | |
| I'm thinking some of my lean condition might be my fuel pump, is mine a 2 speed pump, and is there one u would recommend? | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:18 pm | |
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- ur right... so what your saying is that you want to race me from a dig?
No, I was saying you don't make 270 WHP... yet. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:22 pm | |
| - AA wrote:
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- ur right... so what your saying is that you want to race me from a dig?
No, I was saying you don't make 270 WHP... yet. once i go throw this bin on here i will be in the generally area hopefully. i can't drive my car for a few weeks cuz of the meds im on for lyme disease... hope to sneak the tune on within a few days here | |
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ricos20002 Member
Name : Robert Age : 41 Location : Copperas Cove, Texas Joined : 2008-10-22 Post Count : 84 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:16 pm | |
| wow thanks for your help guys | |
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Mr.Riviera Expert
Name : Matthew Age : 38 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4394 Merit : 101
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:30 pm | |
| - ricos20002 wrote:
- wow thanks for your help guys
guessing that was sarcasm, since nobody has acknowledged your questions yet. the fuel pump in the 95 is probably the typical dual stage pump used on 3800 cars. what makes you think it is the pump dying? in my opinion your lean condition is caused by the pulley used, &/or lack of tune. did you get the 36lb injectors new or did they come bench flow tested so you know they are putting out? and the fuel filter is newish too right? good run btw. _________________ 1996 with 254k miles, L32 4" FWI -> ported N* -> Ported Gen V w/3.0" Pulley, Stage 3 Phenolic I/C, ZZP FMHE, 1.84 RR, Headers and 3" pipe to mufflers, F-body brakes, and lowered on Eibachs. -RIP AMG C400 White on black. Stage 2 w/E30 - 11.9@117 -daily | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:30 pm | |
| - ricos20002 wrote:
- wow thanks for your help guys
oh geeeez i'm sorry.. I doubt your fuel pump is what's holding you back!! i think you should just wait to get your PCM back from sinister and than shoot from there | |
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ricos20002 Member
Name : Robert Age : 41 Location : Copperas Cove, Texas Joined : 2008-10-22 Post Count : 84 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:25 am | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:30 am | |
| - ricos20002 wrote:
- ty
no problem sir! Have you ever thought about doing a Series II swap? | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: 95 on the Dyno Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:54 am | |
| - ricos20002 wrote:
- I'm thinking some of my lean condition might be my fuel pump, is mine a 2 speed pump, and is there one u would recommend?
fuel pump speed is controlled by a variable ground via the PCM. Some aftermarket companies make a 'hotwire' kit that uses a relay to give the FP a full ground all the time. You would know if you are running out of fuel by watching your injector pulse width and your fuel pressure at WOT (which you can probably only do on a dyno). If you are maxing out your injectors you only have a few options - raise your fuel pressure, or get bigger injectors. If you have fuel pressure remaining and are not maxing out your injectors, you can probably increase your fuel with a "Mini-AFC" - a device which interperets the MAF signal and tricks the PCM into thinking you are flowing more air, so it will deliver more fuel. Fuel pump hotwire kits are made for Grand Prixs '97 and later, not sure if/how they will work out on a '95 as the PCM is different. Those and Mini-AFCs can be found from Intense Racing and ZZPerformance. On a '95, I don't think you have many other options. Good luck! | |
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