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FERGI'S 97 SC RIV Amateur
Name : Matt Age : 35 Location : Ramsey,MN Joined : 2012-07-12 Post Count : 25 Merit : 0
| Subject: Compression Check?? Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:58 pm | |
| What should the compression be for a series 2 SC? Per cylinder. | |
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pbrktrt Enthusiast
Name : patrick gervais Location : muskegon.mi Joined : 2011-07-18 Post Count : 164 Merit : 5
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:49 pm | |
| The last one I checked had 140,000 miles. On a cold engine, 148-150 psi per cyl. They should all be within 10 % of each other. A fresh engine will often have 175-180 psi. Trust me, you want a cold engine to do this. | |
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FERGI'S 97 SC RIV Amateur
Name : Matt Age : 35 Location : Ramsey,MN Joined : 2012-07-12 Post Count : 25 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:19 pm | |
| - pbrktrt wrote:
- The last one I checked had 140,000 miles. On a cold engine, 148-150 psi per cyl. They should all be within 10 % of each other. A fresh engine will often have 175-180 psi. Trust me, you want a cold engine to do this.
OK thanks for the help. | |
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FERGI'S 97 SC RIV Amateur
Name : Matt Age : 35 Location : Ramsey,MN Joined : 2012-07-12 Post Count : 25 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:10 pm | |
| All six cylinders read about 148 psi odometer reads 123171 definitely not what's on motor. But since so close to what you posted I will assume it 140k+ Thanks again for your help greatly appreciated! | |
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albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31 Post Count : 8685 Merit : 181
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:11 pm | |
| - FERGI'S 97 SC RIV wrote:
- All six cylinders read about 148 psi odometer reads 123171 definitely not what's on motor. But since so close to what you posted I will assume it 140k+
Thanks again for your help greatly appreciated! If all 6 are 148 +/- you are in decent shape. | |
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:22 pm | |
| - pbrktrt wrote:
- The last one I checked had 140,000 miles. On a cold engine, 148-150 psi per cyl. They should all be within 10 % of each other. A fresh engine will often have 175-180 psi. Trust me, you want a cold engine to do this.
I am reading that the engine should be warm when doing this? | |
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LARRY70GS Aficionado
Name : Larry Age : 68 Location : Oakland Gardens, NY Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 2193 Merit : 150
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:41 pm | |
| - charlieRobinson wrote:
- pbrktrt wrote:
- The last one I checked had 140,000 miles. On a cold engine, 148-150 psi per cyl. They should all be within 10 % of each other. A fresh engine will often have 175-180 psi. Trust me, you want a cold engine to do this.
I am reading that the engine should be warm when doing this? Absolutely. You want normal operating temps so that everything is properly expanded. Piston rings and pistons expand when hot. You also want the throttle blocked open, ignition disabled, and all spark plugs removed. _________________ 98 Riviera SC3800 All stock except gutted air box. 1970 Buick GS455 Stage1, TSP built 470BBB, 602HP/589TQ Best MPH, 116.06 MPH, Best ET, 11.54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCda-t_Jls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfT2tEO4XcU
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:44 pm | |
| Just to remind everyone for the 1,000 time. I'm almost a total newbie to cars.
Ok, what about fueling? should the pump be disabled also? | |
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LARRY70GS Aficionado
Name : Larry Age : 68 Location : Oakland Gardens, NY Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 2193 Merit : 150
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:47 pm | |
| - charlieRobinson wrote:
- Just to remind everyone for the 1,000 time. I'm almost a total newbie to cars.
Ok, what about fueling? should the pump be disabled also? Yup, forgot about that. Disable the fuel pump. If you are that green when it comes to cars, just pick up a basic book on Auto Mechanics. _________________ 98 Riviera SC3800 All stock except gutted air box. 1970 Buick GS455 Stage1, TSP built 470BBB, 602HP/589TQ Best MPH, 116.06 MPH, Best ET, 11.54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCda-t_Jls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfT2tEO4XcU
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charlieRobinson Expert
Name : Charlie Age : 39 Location : Knoxville, TN Joined : 2011-05-17 Post Count : 3924 Merit : 31
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:08 pm | |
| Is it normal for a well maintained engine to naturally lose compression over time/use?
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albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31 Post Count : 8685 Merit : 181
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:29 pm | |
| - charlieRobinson wrote:
- Is it normal for a well maintained engine to naturally lose compression over time/use?
Yes.... If you use synthetic oil 9specifically a PAO-base oil) exclusively and keep up with changes it takes **A Lot** longer. But eventually it will wear. With Synth it is almost anyone's guess as to how long "eventually" is, someone on here might know. IIRC our member AA found that even after hundreds of thousands of miles running "dino" oil (group III natural base) with oil changes often-enough, the crosshatching was still evident in the bores. I have heard it's not uncommon to tear down an engine maintained with synthetic oil only to find that wear is not measurable using garage-quality measurement tools... but I've never done it. For those of you who like chemistry/tech: Polyalphaolefins (PAO) are also called synthesized hydrocarbons and consist of a single molecular structure, usually manufactured by reacting ethylene gas with a metal catalyst. They contain absolutely no metals, sulfur, wax or phosphorous. Metals (zinc) are added as part of the additive formulations for making motor oil. The big advantage of PAOs that they function over a broad temperature range and don't have trace crap in them that has to be refined out or compensated for. They also hold lots of contaminants in suspension further reducing deposits. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:00 am | |
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- IIRC our member AA found that even after hundreds of thousands of miles running "dino" oil (group III natural base) with oil changes often-enough, the crosshatching was still evident in the bores. I have heard it's not uncommon to tear down an engine maintained with synthetic oil only to find that wear is not measurable using garage-quality measurement tools... but I've never done it.
That's about right, according to the report from my re-builder. I didn't actually see the bores myself. He said all bores were perfectly circular, within spec (did not need over-boring). I don't know if the crosshatching was still visible, but there was enough wall material that he was able to re-hone the cylinders without needing to machine. At the time of the rebuild, the engine was still making good power, and oil consumption was about 1 quart per every 3k miles. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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bmcd9179 Fanatic
Name : Bryson Age : 28 Location : Utah Joined : 2013-09-21 Post Count : 288 Merit : 1
| Subject: Compression?? Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:38 pm | |
| So i am doing a compression test on my buick riviera supercharged 1996, anyone know what kind of compression would be accurate around 150k miles? i was thinking anything above 150 would be good but does anyone know exactly what they come with from factory? | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:02 pm | |
| as long as you see relative consistency, the exact number isn't that critical. 150 is a good estimate. | |
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bmcd9179 Fanatic
Name : Bryson Age : 28 Location : Utah Joined : 2013-09-21 Post Count : 288 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: Compression Check?? Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:41 pm | |
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