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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:43 am

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well my dreams kind of came to a halt today when turbo tim at zzp told me that the turbo kits will not fit a riviera........ouch anyway I have to rethink my strategy a little bit. anyone know of a different vendor who sells turbo kits for the l67?

Well that doesn't surprise me. The kit is made for a w-body. The turbo itself would fit, but you would need all custom ducting and intercooler mounting. Nobody sells that kind of "kit" for the riv.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:51 am

well im not so sure if im gonna go ahead and do this then........there are really no place around here that could help me out with this. and they also told me that aren't sure if they would be able to tune my pcm for it.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:27 am

Who told you they wouldn't be able to tune your pcm?

Hptuners will tune a 97 riv. Even us 96s have dhp, given its not available anymore , it can still be found used.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:04 am

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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:08 am

As many of us have here have discovered, the 3800 performance industry is focused mainly on GTPs and Regal GSs - there are more of these cars on the road, which means better sales potential. Because they do not have knowledge about Rivieras, they will side with caution and say their product won't work. It doesn't mean it can't be done.

INTENSE told me they could not install my exhaust headers (they hadn't done it before), so I bought the product from them and installed myself. Not too hard to do. Ed Morad seemed impressed with the fit.

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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:19 am

so AA you're saying that I should go ahead and try to fit the z3 kit?
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:23 am

He wouldn't say that. YOU need to decide if you want to go to expense of a custom $$$$ turbo setup on a car that has no kit availaible to bolt on.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:26 am

You say you're aiming for 400hp, but how fast do you want to run? You probably don't need to go turbo if mainly a DD car.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:40 am

its gonna be a dd car, but im aiming more for hp than times guys. plus in all honesty.......i don't know the first thing about drag racing other than smash the pedal and go. I just want to make a sweet gen-8 turbo riv. I LOVE GRAND NATIONALS
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:46 pm

Well they said the Z3 works on bonnevilles , so it definitely seems possible that it could fit the rivs , although i wouldn't expect it to fit perfectly , but it could work.

Fortunately for me , there's a place about an hour north of me that has built a custom turbo kit of a regal ( which makes well over 500whp , should be close or above 600whp when all is said and done , on pump) so i might send that guy a Pm and see how much they would charge to get a custom kit made...one of these days.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:00 pm

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He wouldn't say that. YOU need to decide if you want to go to expense of a custom $$$$ turbo setup on a car that has no kit availaible to bolt on.
agree Anything can be done if you have the money. That kit may not bolt on, but it could be a good start. You're going to need some modifications, though. Other than John Schmitt's TT drag car, I don't think anyone's put a turbo in an 8th gen Riviera.

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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:48 pm

so then maybe I can be the first!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:53 pm

Unless you want to pay a LOT of money, I suggest you check out some books on turbos and learn how they work. Also, look at other turbo 3800 cars and see how they fit everything under the hood.

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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:15 pm

Yeah, do the research before spending the dough. Gotta say though, I don't personally see the practicality of 400hp FWD in a DD Riviera. Do you know what 400hp will behave like on the street in a FWD car? I can see if it was going to the strip now and then...

Not trying to discourage you though, have at it! 3gears
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:06 am

not in a fwd car but yes i know what it is like and i personally love it
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PostSubject: Supercharger delete   Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:13 pm

So i was thinking about taking my supercharger out and putting a turbo in. I was wondering what you guys thought?
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri May 01, 2009 12:16 am

MexicoMafiaMan wrote:
So i was thinking about taking my supercharger out and putting a turbo in. I was wondering what you guys thought?

You should get the riviera first, then turbo it, yes
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri May 01, 2009 7:19 am

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Do you know what 400hp will behave like on the street in a FWD car?

Isn't ewolfe around 400 hp? I don't hear him complaining. I asked him about torque steer and he said it wasn't a problem.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri May 01, 2009 9:47 am

By the time you buy a GenV blower, IC and all accomanying parts to install it you are about the same price point as a basic turbo kit. Turbos require someone who really knows what they are doing to tune it, though. Turbos have the potential to make more power overall.

I've tinkered with a couple of turbo'd 3800 cars and when done right it's worth the effort. smile
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri May 01, 2009 12:20 pm

wow just looked up that under ''behain back bumper turbo setup''
newer toght about it. but
when the turbo is far away...logicaly....it would take longer time to rev it up? cos..the pressure in the exhaust pipe takes time to fill it up whit enaf pressure for reving the turbo up?

truy to blow on something whit a loooong straw...before it starts to move you need to blow alot air for long time lol.
so this turbo setup would have a big lagg?

well i did not read all what they sayd on the page..and they anyways tell its GOOD good and GOOD!..but not about the bad things.
wonder where the hell to but all those extra pipes under the car.
they defendly will have some lower temperatures and it would be a bit easyer to install but much expenciver.

but a good idea.


have been thinking tho...how cool a twincharged riv could be.
would rev up so much faster.
but would need to use a other charger what isent connected whit the intake manufault like the eaton SC's are. and istead of a normal bulley should use same type one what the climate controlls have. a ellectromacnetic bulley or how every they are called.

in finland one crazy guy made one nice twincharged monster lol!...
a litle toyota.


i saw it when he did on half mile 11,38
the best time he did was 11,03

thats the way how 520horses are fited into a 1600cc engine lol!


one litle drive video tho


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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri May 01, 2009 12:23 pm

Actually ZZperformance sells a twin charged kit for the 3800. It just uses a special boost bypass valve option , but it'd cost probably over 7k before all i said and done with a built trans and everything.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Fri May 01, 2009 2:02 pm

But the built trans is 4k out of 7k and you should have it however you go about making that kind of power.
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PostSubject: Turbo Charger?   Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:06 am

I have been wanting to buy a regal gs or riviera for some time now. I have been looking into different engine modifications, smaller pullies, roller rockers, FWI, list goes on and on of course. I finally found a 98 regal GS and was starting to plan my modding when i came across this web site "http://www.ststurbo.com/universal_turbo_systems" I read over most of it, and even though they try to make the supercharger look VERY inferior, I was wondering if this is a better way to go. Basically it is a bolt on turbo, but instead of it being in the engine bay, it is bolted onto the exhaust in place of your muffler (yes WAY back there) lots of tubing but that mean lower turbo temps, and low intake temps no? I mean obviously i would do supporting mods. Read it over, tell me your opinion!


P.S. Also, I love the super charger whine, but, i would love a turbo... love that sound very much as well.. hbu?
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:39 am

If memory serves, a guy on ClubGP had that same kit on his car. He ran something stupid slow like a 14.2 with it. After all the bullshit he went through for install, he could have spent a few bucks on minor SC mods and been in the 13s... Not saying it couldn't have been better but I got a laugh out of it.

Other turbo kits out there are the real deal (cartuning and stattama). Grab one of those kits used for $2000 and run 11s all day long.
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PostSubject: Re: turbo'd 3800 thoughts.   Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:43 am

One of the big 3800 performance vendors sold STS turbo kits for a while, but not for very long. There are some advantages, such as reduced heat (no intercooler), and a simplified plumbing system, albeit ultimately more plumbing. Installing it would be a challenge unless you've done this sort of thing before.

STS has its disadvantages, too. Weight is shifted to the rear - not always a bad thing, but your launches will suffer at the the drag strip. Another concern is theft. The turbo(s) are more exposed, so anyone who knows your set-up can crawl under the rear end with a Sawzall and steal them!

But the biggest disadvantage is cost. You already have a free power adder that you will no longer use. Then you are buying turbo(s) and installation materials, custom tuning, dyno time - it all adds up. Having a stock blower under the hood makes modding so much easier, and with more than enough power potential to push our cars into high 12s in the 1/4 mile. If you want even more (an all-out track car for road racing), it makes sense to ditch the supercharger and go turbo. Otherwise, I wouldn't.

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