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Yardley
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PostSubject: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyThu Oct 29, 2020 6:57 am

are door water barriers still available for our cars at the dealer?
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LARRY70GS
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyThu Oct 29, 2020 8:31 am

I doubt it. I used this,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012B5EMGO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I cut it and pieced it together to form a shield. It sticks really well and dampens sound as well.

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98 Riviera SC3800  All stock except gutted air box.
1970 Buick GS455 Stage1, TSP built 470BBB, 602HP/589TQ
Best MPH, 116.06 MPH, Best ET, 11.54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCda-t_Jls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfT2tEO4XcU
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyThu Oct 29, 2020 10:22 am

Yardley wrote:
are door water barriers still available for our cars at the dealer?

Not that I am aware of.  I think the yardage may be available from MRO sources such as mcmaster-carr but I have not finished figuring that out yet.  I will need some for when I tear into my passenger door panel to fix issues that a tech (now fired) at the body shop created when he was being very, very stupid about opening the panel.  He tried to remove the trim from the panel without taking it off the door and did a lot of damage. He 'repaired' it but in doing so left it such that it occasionally rattles.  I'll need to take it apart and hot melt repairs onto it.  For example, I can hot melt plastic stock onto the places where he broke off screw bosses, grind them to shape, then drill hole in the new 'boss' to reset the screws.

The fabric you're looking for is going to be fiberglass, nylon or woven kevlar impregnated with vinyl or neoprene.  

Another approach might be to spray glue a sandwich of contractor trash bags, a nylon or polyester woven sheet, and maybe a layer of thin foam. Outer layer fo the trash bag material, both sides.  A scrap piece of packing foam (the thin usually white closed cell stuff on rolls) of appropriate size.  When Boy Genious put my door panel back together he just used a sheet of the packing foam as a water barrier.  It works and it doesn't.  More noise and when it's cold out you notice.  I had  a NOS barrier for the drivers door, which I installed, and you can **really** tell the difference. So I am thinking about making up a denser flexible barrier.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyThu Oct 29, 2020 5:44 pm

Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyFri Oct 30, 2020 2:24 pm

Yardley wrote:
Thanks!

YW. The contractor trash bag by itself will work but you'll get noise and no real thermal barrier. Remember to get 3M 'strip calk' to hold the barrier on the inner door frame.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyFri Oct 30, 2020 2:37 pm

This is better,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012B5EMGO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I could have done my Riviera 3 times with the amount in the box.

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98 Riviera SC3800  All stock except gutted air box.
1970 Buick GS455 Stage1, TSP built 470BBB, 602HP/589TQ
Best MPH, 116.06 MPH, Best ET, 11.54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCda-t_Jls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfT2tEO4XcU
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyFri Oct 30, 2020 9:51 pm

LARRY70GS wrote:
This is better,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012B5EMGO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I could have done my Riviera 3 times with the amount in the box.

Is it removable? Butyl is pretty sticky, I'm concerned.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptySat Oct 31, 2020 8:32 am

albertj wrote:
LARRY70GS wrote:
This is better,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012B5EMGO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I could have done my Riviera 3 times with the amount in the box.

Is it removable?  Butyl is pretty sticky, I'm concerned.


Yes, just like strip caulk. Much easier to work with than a trash bag.

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98 Riviera SC3800  All stock except gutted air box.
1970 Buick GS455 Stage1, TSP built 470BBB, 602HP/589TQ
Best MPH, 116.06 MPH, Best ET, 11.54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCda-t_Jls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfT2tEO4XcU
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptySun Nov 01, 2020 12:13 am

LARRY70GS wrote:
albertj wrote:
LARRY70GS wrote:
This is better,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012B5EMGO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I could have done my Riviera 3 times with the amount in the box.

Is it removable?  Butyl is pretty sticky, I'm concerned.


Yes, just like strip caulk.  Much easier to work with than a trash bag.

Had not thought of that. As long as it peels back off, you're set!
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyTue May 04, 2021 9:19 pm

I'm looking to replace my water barrier soon due to air coming in around the door handles. Anyone got any tips or comments about this problem?
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LARRY70GS
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyWed May 05, 2021 9:42 am

I used this,

https://www.amazon.com/Noico-deadening-Automotive-Insulation-dampening/dp/B00URUIKAK

Cut it and stick it on, easy.

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98 Riviera SC3800  All stock except gutted air box.
1970 Buick GS455 Stage1, TSP built 470BBB, 602HP/589TQ
Best MPH, 116.06 MPH, Best ET, 11.54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCda-t_Jls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfT2tEO4XcU
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Jack the R
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyWed May 05, 2021 1:19 pm

Thanks, that's what I'm planning to order. Just wondering if there is anything special that needs to be done around the door handle.
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptyWed May 05, 2021 2:06 pm

Jack the R wrote:
Thanks, that's what I'm planning to order.  Just wondering if there is anything special that needs to be done around the door handle.

You'll have to figure out how to cut a slot for the remote rod to go through. It is tricky but do-able. I promised myself I'd figure out how to use a piece of foam to block what little air I get but have not bothered yet.

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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptySun May 09, 2021 11:01 am

Did you need 36 sq feet, or is 18 plenty to do the doors?
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PostSubject: Re: Water Barrier   Water Barrier EmptySun May 09, 2021 5:24 pm

I think 18 is probably fine.

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98 Riviera SC3800  All stock except gutted air box.
1970 Buick GS455 Stage1, TSP built 470BBB, 602HP/589TQ
Best MPH, 116.06 MPH, Best ET, 11.54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHCda-t_Jls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfT2tEO4XcU
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