'70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles ^^^ SOLD ^^^
duster_do_little Enthusiast
Name : Dustin Age : 38 Location : Midland, MI Joined : 2008-11-15Post Count : 171 Merit : 4
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:03 pm
Thanks for the diagram. I have a few questions about it. I plan on hard wiring my Pioneer DEH-P5800MP deck into my 97 Riviera with the Concert Sound 2 package. I have the new bezel to hold the stereo, and I know how to take the dash apart and get the old stereo out (had it out once). I was going to buy the harness for the car and make it a bit easier, but i thought it came with the dash install kit (for $21 it should have). The kit I got was the one for the Suzuki's and GM's.
I was wondering if you could show me a diagram pointing out which pin in the connector is which wire. Many of the colors in the diagram are almost the same color which makes it kinda hard to follow.
My Pioneer's wiring diagram goes as follows.
speaker wires obviously go to speaker wires on the list (I will probably just not hook up the front wires and send those back to the 4-channel amp I'll be hooking up...easier than trying to locate the wire under the dash and cutting it there)
Red Ignition will go to yellow ignition in diagram
Yellow power will go to OJ battery in diagram
OJ/White dim wire either goes to dim enable or dim signal
black ground goes to one of the black grounds (don't think it matters which)
blue/white remote goes to I would guess green remote in diagram and will also go to amp (what does other antenna wire go to)
If I had the radio control adapter that would plug into back of my stereo and into the green steering wheel control wire
What are the PWM, and Data Link wires for? Also, how do I tell if I have the wrong wire or not (with like colors)
I wired this stereo into my fiero last year and didn't have any problems with it. I also wired a stereo into my sister's Ford Escort with no problems. This seems a bit more difficult
Also, could my stereo be causing my security thing to lock me out? It seems like when my stereo is on the car won't start and locks me out for 3 minutes, but when I shut the stereo off it starts with no problems. I got a new key thinking that was the problem, but it didn't help.
albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31Post Count : 8688 Merit : 181
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:41 pm
if you have not done the install yet you could get the plug-in wiring bits from crutchfield.com
Albertj
Rickw Guru
Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:50 pm
Crutchfield will also have the SWI (Steering Wheel Interface) that you need and they are usually very good about providing all the necessary wiring diagrams for free with the Pioneer to GM adapter harness and for the SWI. Ask for PAC #SWI-X, if I remember correctly. Note: PAC = Pacific Accessory Corp.
duster_do_little Enthusiast
Name : Dustin Age : 38 Location : Midland, MI Joined : 2008-11-15Post Count : 171 Merit : 4
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:07 pm
I want to wire everything tomorrow and don't plan on making a trip into town for just the adapter (25 miles to nearest town). I don't really care too much about the steering wheel controls. I've never had them in any of my other cars, so I think the remote I have will be suffice.
No one knows the the pin location of each wire?
Thanks for the help you two. If I can't find out what I'm looking for, I might have to go into town to pick it up. I just sprung a radiator leak when I got home tonight though, so I need to diagnose and try to fix that before I drive it anywhere. It's on the driver's side of the radiator, near the top. Not the hose (hoping it's fixable, already put too much money into repairs on this car)
duster_do_little Enthusiast
Name : Dustin Age : 38 Location : Midland, MI Joined : 2008-11-15Post Count : 171 Merit : 4
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:38 pm
Well, if no one has an answer by tomorrow morning I'll pick up a harness and post a diagram of where each wire goes for any future interest.
98RIV7777 Fanatic
Name : Anthony Age : 37 Location : Niagara Falls, NY Joined : 2008-06-01Post Count : 274 Merit : 1
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:28 am
1. Empty 2. Violet = Right Rear Positive (RR+) 3. Violet/Black = Right Rear Negative (RR-) 4. White/Black = Left Front Negative(LF-) 5. White = Left Front Positive (LF+) 6. Black/White = Aux Shield Ground 7. Empty 8. Empty 9. Empty 10. Empty 11. Empty 12. Empty 13. Orange = Illumination/Dimmer 14. Blue = Power Antenna 15. Red = 12 Volt Ignition/Switched (12V+) 16. Yellow = 12 Volt Battery/Constant (12V+) 17. Black = Chassis Ground (12V-) 18. Gray = Right Front Positive (RF+) 19. Gray/Black = Right Front Negative (RF-) 20. Green/Black = Left Rear Negative (LR-) 21. Green = Left Rear Positive (LR+) 22. Empty 23. Empty 24. Empty 25. Empty 26. Empty 27. Empty 28. Empty 29. Empty 30. Blue/White = Amp Turn On 31. Empty 32. Empty
I hope this save you the trip going into town, if you need to know anything else I'll be back on tomorrow morning but I'm in cali right now so I'm 3hours behind you guys on the east coast, so I wont be on early morning. ***Also Aaron if you can add this to a link or something with the CS2 - System Layout Diagram I am sure this will probally help others who are re-wiring or swapping stereo's***
98RIV7777 Fanatic
Name : Anthony Age : 37 Location : Niagara Falls, NY Joined : 2008-06-01Post Count : 274 Merit : 1
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:31 am
By the way the numbers are going top to bottom from the factory harness, Left Row = 1-16, and Right Row = 17-32
deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:16 am
Not exactly what you are looking for, but I have a few pics of the harness adapter in my install thread, on page 4:
I used RCA outs to an amp in the trunk, and used the harness adapter to loop the rear speaker wires into the fronts so from the amp I only had to run wires to the rear speakers and the rear speaker factory wires, which saved me from running new wires all the way back up.
duster_do_little Enthusiast
Name : Dustin Age : 38 Location : Midland, MI Joined : 2008-11-15Post Count : 171 Merit : 4
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:28 am
Thanks both of you. That's exactly what I'm looking for. So the extra wires on the riv harness are pointless for an aftermarket install. Killed two birds with one stone . I'll head out and install it after lunch. If I have any more problems you'll see the posts lol.
EatDirtFartDust Fanatic
Name : The Josh Age : 41 Location : Somewhere between Sullivan and Saint Peters Missouri. Joined : 2009-03-27Post Count : 284 Merit : 2
I connected the "Dimmer" input on my radio, to the wire marked "Dimmer" on the scosche wiring harness. is that the right one, or should I have connected to the "illumination" wire, that is orange solid?
brian10962001 Member
Name : Brian Tucker Joined : 2010-04-26Post Count : 51 Merit : 3
'70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles ^^^ SOLD ^^^
ibmoses Aficionado
Name : Bert Location : North Alabama Joined : 2008-02-03Post Count : 1701 Merit : 32
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:56 pm
I had the polarity reversed on one of the speakers...but could not tell anything was wrong by listening to the system. Will the polarity being reversed damage components or what?
Bert
AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:28 pm
Reversed polarity cancels out lower-mid and especially the bass frequencies, because one driver is operating out of phase. You might not notice with smaller OEM speakers, because they don't make a lot of bass. With amplified systems, or larger speakers, the difference is like night and day. A subwoofer system with an out of phase driver can use hundreds of watts and produce almost no output at all.
This is very similar to the technology used in Bose noise-canceling headphones.
There is potential to damage speakers with reversed polarity, because the listener may try to boost bass or increase the volume to hear the sound that is lost by cancellation - this causes the drivers to be extremely stressed, even though you can't tell by listening. The sound waves produced by one speaker are canceled by the other out of phase driver.
If both speakers are wired out of phase, there is no difference in sound quality or performance.
'70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles ^^^ SOLD ^^^
karmatose Rookie
Name : Eric Location : Ontario Joined : 2010-06-07Post Count : 17 Merit : 2
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:13 pm
My apologies for dragging up an old thread, but thanks for this diagram, AA.
Does this apply to the '95 as well?
epic612 Amateur
Name : Collin "C Note" Abram Age : 36 Location : Minneapolis, MN Joined : 2010-10-08Post Count : 20 Merit : 0
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:58 pm
How about a 96?
Also, what is required for speaker replacement? Is it possible, or advisable to just replace stock pieces with aftermarket? Or should I do some rewiring? Also plan on wiring in a new receiver and subwoofers, is it as relatively straightforward as it is on other vehicles, or will the CS2 mean more work?
Thanks!
Rickw Guru
Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
Subject: Re: Concert Sound II Wiring Diagram Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:26 pm
Look in the "Write Ups" section for Audio and Electronics, should have all the info you need. Removing the dash for an install is not as straight forward as other cars. But luckily for you, other people have documented everything they did. Even removing the door panels requires some finesse without breaking them. With an aftermarket head unit you will want to install the interface device that allows you to use the steering wheel controls. Also an item that has been written about. A complete system install including proper speakers and a sub or 2 with a head unit and gutting the interior can take a couple of days depending on how many hours per day you want to work on it and how much homework you do ahead of time.