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sqrivi Fanatic
Name : scott Location : madison, al Joined : 2008-03-15 Post Count : 375 Merit : 52
| Subject: horse power ? Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:26 pm | |
| I know this is a loaded question but what kind of "reliable daily driver" horse power can be made with the sc3800? | |
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palermocorey90 Expert
Name : Corey Age : 34 Location : Rome NY Joined : 2007-10-03 Post Count : 2968 Merit : -24
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:22 pm | |
| my buddy Dave has a intercooled MP112 GTP with XP cam and all the goodies thats a DD.i dont know the number but i can resure you its alot | |
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8072 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:31 pm | |
| 400 at the crank at least. | |
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ewolfe0050 Aficionado
Name : Eric Location : Indianapolis, IN Joined : 2007-07-31 Post Count : 1159 Merit : 27
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:32 pm | |
| I pushing 350whp (well over 400bhp) on my car... It is very capable to be a daily driver and was used as such until I just got it painted... now a sunny day driver. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:38 pm | |
| 300 HP for me. I use mine to drive 75 miles per day, average 20 MPG, have achieved as high as 37 MPG on the highway. Almost no change in exhaust sound, only major failure was transmission at 151k miles. I started modding at 35k miles, now have 169k and car is still very strong. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8072 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:07 pm | |
| FWIW I was referring to ewolfe's car, so go by his number for the most not mine. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:16 pm | |
| And to clarify, my 300 HP is crank power, not wheel. I dynoed 250 WHP, although I think if I did it again I would see ~260 WHP (315 crank). _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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sqrivi Fanatic
Name : scott Location : madison, al Joined : 2008-03-15 Post Count : 375 Merit : 52
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:44 pm | |
| - ewolfe0050 wrote:
- I pushing 350whp (well over 400bhp) on my car... It is very capable to be a daily driver and was used as such until I just got it painted... now a sunny day driver.
What kind of cost is there to get those kind of numbers? Done right of course. | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:15 am | |
| - sqrivi wrote:
- ewolfe0050 wrote:
- I pushing 350whp (well over 400bhp) on my car... It is very capable to be a daily driver and was used as such until I just got it painted... now a sunny day driver.
What kind of cost is there to get those kind of numbers? Done right of course. 5K bucks if done right......... with tranny | |
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8072 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:31 am | |
| It's got to be more than that with the tranny. I figure by the time the tranny stuff is fully installed it's near 4k by itself. Intercooler is 800, headers are 200-10000 depending on how good they are, cam is 2-300 + install, tuner software is 600 . . . | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:41 am | |
| To run that kind of power DD you will need transmission upgrades. Just ask... everyone who has a modded 3800... | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:54 am | |
| 300 crank HP = <$3,000 - if you do all of the work yourself. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8072 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:12 am | |
| - AA wrote:
- 300 crank HP = <$3,000 - if you do all of the work yourself.
Without tranny upgrades. Aaron has made a decent case for not upgrading the tranny, and so far he's been safe at the power level he's making. | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:08 pm | |
| - Jack the R wrote:
- AA wrote:
- 300 crank HP = <$3,000 - if you do all of the work yourself.
Without tranny upgrades. Aaron has made a decent case for not upgrading the tranny, and so far he's been safe at the power level he's making. Oh he has never had a tranny rebuild??? I know it was at high miles.. but still | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:09 pm | |
| But still... what? The cause of my failure was not related of how much power the engine made. At 151k, any one of our TCC solenoids could stick open.
Some stock trannies need rebuilt at much lower mileage. How many did you have on yours, Travis? _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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SuperRiv07 Addict
Name : Nick Age : 40 Location : Brookfield, And If everything goes right A Nice big house in Bolingbrook with a big GARAGE Joined : 2008-07-20 Post Count : 706 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:46 pm | |
| Shit Im At 160k On original tranny, I have changed the filter and shit and Im Still Alive Granite I aint pushing 400hp | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:54 pm | |
| I think it matters how you drive the car, also. How many track passes & dyno runs you have could affect the life of internal parts. And keeping fresh fluid in there is also key. Did anyone mention luck? _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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sqrivi Fanatic
Name : scott Location : madison, al Joined : 2008-03-15 Post Count : 375 Merit : 52
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:41 pm | |
| - 98riviera98 wrote:
- sqrivi wrote:
- ewolfe0050 wrote:
- I pushing 350whp (well over 400bhp) on my car... It is very capable to be a daily driver and was used as such until I just got it painted... now a sunny day driver.
What kind of cost is there to get those kind of numbers? Done right of course. 5K bucks if done right......... with tranny Thanks for the replies everyone. What kind of things have to be done to get in the neighborhood of 300whp, and where can I get them done. Or would I be better off swapping engines for one that is already built? I can install a stereo system, but I am useless under the hood. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:11 pm | |
| Check our Modding 101 thread in the Series II FAQ sticky. You'll probably want to do the first 16 mods to achieve your goal, but there are other ways, such as N2O.
You can do most of the bolt-on mods yourself, even if you're not experienced. But if you want to pay for it, any 3800 mechanic in your area can do these mods. Anyone know of a good service shop near Madison, AL? _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Jack the R Master
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:13 pm | |
| Lol, if I weren't still at work, I might try searching for the tranny god! _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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sqrivi Fanatic
Name : scott Location : madison, al Joined : 2008-03-15 Post Count : 375 Merit : 52
| Subject: Re: horse power ? Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:03 pm | |
| - AA wrote:
- Check our Modding 101 thread in the Series II FAQ sticky. You'll probably want to do the first 16 mods to achieve your goal, but there are other ways, such as N2O.
You can do most of the bolt-on mods yourself, even if you're not experienced. But if you want to pay for it, any 3800 mechanic in your area can do these mods. Anyone know of a good service shop near Madison, AL? Thanks, i saw the modding 101 thread before. Now I have a better understanding of what mods I need to do to get the numbers I am looking for. | |
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