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SamsSC Special
Name : Sam Age : 63 Location : Long Beach CA Joined : 2008-06-26 Post Count : 9 Merit : 0
| Subject: Heater not getting hot Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:46 pm | |
| I have a 95 SC. My heater blows cold air, even when thrmostatt is maxed at 90 degrees. Radiator is full of coolant/water mix. A/C works fine blows ice cold. What could be the situation on the heater? | |
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albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31 Post Count : 8687 Merit : 181
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:55 pm | |
| blocked heater core, malfunctioning heater blower doors or HW valves - but you probably already know this. There's no chronic problem with a magic solution here.
Your car been sitting a while?
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Mr.Riviera Expert
Name : Matthew Age : 38 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4394 Merit : 101
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:55 pm | |
| could be any of the following- heater core hose has a clog or is collapsed. actuators are not turning to allow hot air to flow into the cabin. (most likely IMO) your WP is broken. (car would overheat) temp control is broken.
if the air ice cold, or just not hot? what is the ambient temp and car temp when you are running the heat? do all the vents blow the same temp, or does the dash/floor feel different? _________________ 1996 with 254k miles, L32 4" FWI -> ported N* -> Ported Gen V w/3.0" Pulley, Stage 3 Phenolic I/C, ZZP FMHE, 1.84 RR, Headers and 3" pipe to mufflers, F-body brakes, and lowered on Eibachs. -RIP AMG C400 White on black. Stage 2 w/E30 - 11.9@117 -daily | |
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Mr.Riviera Expert
Name : Matthew Age : 38 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4394 Merit : 101
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:56 pm | |
| damn albert, you beat me to it by mere seconds! _________________ 1996 with 254k miles, L32 4" FWI -> ported N* -> Ported Gen V w/3.0" Pulley, Stage 3 Phenolic I/C, ZZP FMHE, 1.84 RR, Headers and 3" pipe to mufflers, F-body brakes, and lowered on Eibachs. -RIP AMG C400 White on black. Stage 2 w/E30 - 11.9@117 -daily | |
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albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31 Post Count : 8687 Merit : 181
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:05 pm | |
| tick tick tick Albertj | |
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SamsSC Special
Name : Sam Age : 63 Location : Long Beach CA Joined : 2008-06-26 Post Count : 9 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:41 pm | |
| Car has not been sitting. It's daily driver. Ambient temp is 50-60 when I attempt to use heater (Hey, I'm a weenie this is Southern California), but air is ice cold with compressor on, very cool with just the blower. All vents blow about the same temp. It has to be the actuators or the core. Probably the core, since the directional controls (bi-level, upper, lower etc) seem to work fine. How hard is the core to remove? | |
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captshiner Junkie
Name : Andrew Age : 38 Location : Cincinnati, OH Joined : 2008-07-23 Post Count : 756 Merit : -1
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:44 pm | |
| Just curious, if you're in So-Cal then why do you even need the heater? Here in OH I still have the windows down until it gets to be like 40*F. | |
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albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31 Post Count : 8687 Merit : 181
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:07 pm | |
| Is the heat still off if you turn the temp all the way up?
Maybe the cabin air temp sensor quit? and is telling the car that the cabin is warm, so it runs the AC full tilt and won't turn on the heater.
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:15 pm | |
| If the cabin sensor failed, wouldn't that just cause a problem in auto mode? If you manually increased the heat, shouldn't matter what the sensor sees, imo.
I'm betting it's something to do with mechanical directing of hot air (flap/door, or actuator stuck or failed. Maybe remove some of the plastic under the dash and see if any heat comes out. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:51 pm | |
| - AA wrote:
- If the cabin sensor failed, wouldn't that just cause a problem in auto mode? If you manually increased the heat, shouldn't matter what the sensor sees, imo.
Nope. The manual heat number setting still uses automatic temp control based on the cabin sensor. Could be the actuator for the main blend door. Also, if you have problems with your IAT sensor, the HVAC has problems with figuring out the outside temperature. (even though it has it's own separate sensor...) | |
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whit2285 Enthusiast
Name : Mike Age : 49 Location : Illinois Joined : 2007-12-20 Post Count : 127 Merit : 3
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:30 am | |
| I'm saying actuator , i have to turn mine by hand during the season change(Summer to winter) | |
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SamsSC Special
Name : Sam Age : 63 Location : Long Beach CA Joined : 2008-06-26 Post Count : 9 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:29 am | |
| OK, guys here's an update. Outside temp 49 degrees. Thermostat on 90. Climate control on "Bi-Level". On bi-level the two middle air outlets on the dash blow hot. The outside dash outlets, floor, door and rear passenger outlets blow ice cold.. Does this narrow the problem down? | |
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Rickw Guru
Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13 Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:10 pm | |
| You have an actuator not working. The problem is I can't tell you right now which one, there are 5 total. Their not to hard to access. Let me look in the book for a while and I'll get back to on which one is the problem child. There are some excellent pictures of these actuator motors in a thread on this board somewhere. Will have to search or whoever posted them might be able to help also. | |
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Rickw Guru
Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13 Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:15 pm | |
| Does everything work normal in the Defrost Mode. ? Air to windshield and some to floor only ? Air shouldn't come out of any of the front vents in defrost mode. Need to know for troubleshooting. With Controller in Auto position and outside temp lower than cabin temp, where if anywhere are you getting heated air ? I know you said if you manually command full hot (90*) your getting the mixture you describe, but what happens in AUTO ? | |
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Rickw Guru
Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13 Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:13 pm | |
| The 95 must be different than mine (98) because I don't have a "Bi-Level" setting and there's nothing in the factory manual discussing bi-level. FYI, The HVAC programmer energizes the air mix actuators to perform certain functions. (open, close, mix, etc.) Need to determine what's not doing it's job. Look at this link, I know it won't solve your problem but it gives you a view of the actuators, https://rivperformance.editboard.com/interior-f20/write-up-hvac-assembly-t2500.htm | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:14 pm | |
| Rick, bi-level is mid- and floor at the same time. | |
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Rickw Guru
Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13 Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:18 pm | |
| I was wondering if his 95 had a specific Bi-Level setting, if it did then what I have for tech data may not be what he needs. | |
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1995 Riv Enthusiast
Name : Don Location : Cols OH Joined : 2008-11-09 Post Count : 160 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:40 pm | |
| My 95 Has a Bi-level button. | |
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Rickw Guru
Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13 Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:43 pm | |
| Sam, I'm afraid that the 1998 factory manual is not going to help me help you. I'd be giving you incorrect info on how your system is supposed to work. Who has the 1995 manuals that can help out Sam with his HVAC problem ??? Sorry
Thanks for the info Don. | |
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whit2285 Enthusiast
Name : Mike Age : 49 Location : Illinois Joined : 2007-12-20 Post Count : 127 Merit : 3
| Subject: Re: Heater not getting hot Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:17 am | |
| passenger side , take glove box out look to the left you should see the actuator black in color 5 sides. take it off and the turn the little knob behind it. should work then | |
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