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Buapo Addict
Name : Ben Age : 39 Location : Eastlake, OH Joined : 2007-07-17 Post Count : 691 Merit : 2
| Subject: Remove resonator/replace cat? Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:50 am | |
| As most of you know, I've got that Hogan 3" DP on my car now.
I'm just wondering if I'd see an improvement in performance if I removed the resonator. It'd probably be really cheap. The cat, I'm not so sure about. The stock one doesn't seem to be too bad.
So has anyone removed their resonator and was actually HAPPY with the results? I did it on my Regal (had to, it had a hole in it) and it made the exhuast a little grumblier, but barely.
So, thoughts? | |
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dreww Junkie
Location : Dallas Joined : 2007-04-10 Post Count : 851 Merit : 9
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:56 am | |
| the cat being replaced with a highflow or straightpipe will improve performance. How much? It dpends on your mods and how much intake work you have.
the resonator being removed probably wont increase performance, but highway drone will be more noticeable. The resonator probably has little effect except on the highway. A loud drone is annoying as hell though. | |
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jax95riv Aficionado
Name : Jack Age : 62 Location : Oklahoma City Joined : 2007-01-14 Post Count : 1062 Merit : 6
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:40 am | |
| You will probably get a little "popping" when you let off the gas if you remove the cat from unburned fuel. | |
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Jason Aficionado
Name : Jason Age : 41 Location : Comox, BC, Canada Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 1378 Merit : 66
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:22 am | |
| the resonator is pretty restrictive. It is 2.25" at it's largest point. I am doing the exhaust at the same time as I will install my headers, which have a built in 3" DP. I will be using a larger resonator. | |
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8072 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:27 pm | |
| Where do you get the larger resonator? | |
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Jason Aficionado
Name : Jason Age : 41 Location : Comox, BC, Canada Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 1378 Merit : 66
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:31 pm | |
| ebay or any store that sells mufflers.
I have a pair of 2.5" SS resonators with polished SS turndown tips made for the impala SS that I ended up not using on my roadmaster. If I can't find a way to use those, I'll just get a 3" glasspack or long body muffler and use it in the stock location. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:15 pm | |
| I deleted my cat, but have completely intact stock exhaust from there back. Still sounds stock except when I get on it, but not raspy at all. I don't think the OEM system is that restrictive after the cat. The resonator is worth keeping imo. If you think it's worth opening up for a few extra hp (a few, not several), be prepared to enjoy the symphony of a 90 deg V6. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Buapo Addict
Name : Ben Age : 39 Location : Eastlake, OH Joined : 2007-07-17 Post Count : 691 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:26 am | |
| Eh, I think I'll keep the resonator. A high-flow cat (damn e-check) sounds like it'll be in the future, but the res will remain. | |
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SpaceBar Aficionado
Name : Patrick Age : 38 Location : Quincy, MA Joined : 2007-04-08 Post Count : 1199 Merit : 3
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:32 am | |
| - Buapo wrote:
- Eh, I think I'll keep the resonator. A high-flow cat (damn e-check) sounds like it'll be in the future, but the res will remain.
I've got the high flow cat with no res and flowmaster 40 series mufflers. I think it sounds great at idle but there is a good drone on the highway. I've kinda been debating to put on a res or keep it off for a couple weeks now. Still don't know what I'm going to do. | |
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Buapo Addict
Name : Ben Age : 39 Location : Eastlake, OH Joined : 2007-07-17 Post Count : 691 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:42 am | |
| My Regal sounds good, most people like it... but it's got some drone. Took me a long time to get used to it. I like being able to cruise down the road without having to ramp up the volume on the CD that I'm listening to.
Plus, when you start up the Riviera, it kind of purrs. So quiet, someone asked if it was running. | |
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SpaceBar Aficionado
Name : Patrick Age : 38 Location : Quincy, MA Joined : 2007-04-08 Post Count : 1199 Merit : 3
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:04 am | |
| - Buapo wrote:
Plus, when you start up the Riviera, it kind of purrs. So quiet, someone asked if it was running. Not mine. :O You know when it starts. | |
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dreww Junkie
Location : Dallas Joined : 2007-04-10 Post Count : 851 Merit : 9
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:03 am | |
| - SpaceBar wrote:
- Buapo wrote:
Plus, when you start up the Riviera, it kind of purrs. So quiet, someone asked if it was running. Not mine. :O You know when it starts. yea, rocks in the intake....lovely cold morning sound. | |
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Buapo Addict
Name : Ben Age : 39 Location : Eastlake, OH Joined : 2007-07-17 Post Count : 691 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:21 pm | |
| The gutted intake is still noticeable for me, and I have the K&N drop-in. I probably would enjoy the sound of a fenderwell too, but I'm guessing a fenderwell would give an increase in boost that I wouldn't be able to use. I think with my current setup, I don't have any KR. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:38 pm | |
| You're correct in assuming the FWI will give you more air flow. My boost went up 1 PSI. But the FWI gives you a potentially cooler intake air temp, so the extra air might be usable, because cooler air helps lower KR.
Imo, if it's knocking with a 3.5" SC pulley + FWI, I'd switch up to a 3.6" SC pulley. Blower will make less boost, but doesn't have to suck as hard to get the needed air. Would seem like the better way to go. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Buapo Addict
Name : Ben Age : 39 Location : Eastlake, OH Joined : 2007-07-17 Post Count : 691 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:01 pm | |
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SpaceBar Aficionado
Name : Patrick Age : 38 Location : Quincy, MA Joined : 2007-04-08 Post Count : 1199 Merit : 3
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Jason Aficionado
Name : Jason Age : 41 Location : Comox, BC, Canada Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 1378 Merit : 66
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:46 pm | |
| I think the stock resonator is pretty bad. I'll get a pic of the inside when I do my headers. it is 2.25" at its widest point. less area then the 2 mufflers put together, and the mufflers are pretty lame. IMO it is barely capable of supporting a stock engine. | |
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Archangel Rookie
Name : larry Age : 66 Location : seattle, wa Joined : 2007-05-04 Post Count : 16 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:01 pm | |
| - Buapo wrote:
- As most of you know, I've got that Hogan 3" DP on my car now.
I'm just wondering if I'd see an improvement in performance if I removed the resonator. It'd probably be really cheap. The cat, I'm not so sure about. The stock one doesn't seem to be too bad.
So has anyone removed their resonator and was actually HAPPY with the results? I did it on my Regal (had to, it had a hole in it) and it made the exhuast a little grumblier, but barely.
So, thoughts? I left the Cat in, took out the resonator and put a set of Magna-Flow mufflers on my 98. not much improvement in performance that i can tell. Nice sound though | |
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Jason Aficionado
Name : Jason Age : 41 Location : Comox, BC, Canada Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 1378 Merit : 66
| Subject: inside a resonator Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:04 pm | |
| A while back I said I would cut through my riviera's stock resonator to show you how crappy it actually is. I just got around to removing it this week while doing the headers and was about to cut it up when I saw this post over at regalgs.org I was just going to cut it transversely to show the small diameter, but this is even better as WildDM cut it longitudinally. Here is the photo for those to lazy to click on the link. I'll still be submitting photos of the DP and mufflers as soon as I get my camera back from my S/O. | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:43 pm | |
| I'd imagined it worse that it looks in that photo. Is it the same resonator we have on the Riviera? _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Sag Enthusiast
Name : Martin Age : 42 Location : St- calixte Qc Joined : 2007-10-26 Post Count : 166 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:32 pm | |
| yikes that's restriction! | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:15 pm | |
| It doesn't look like much restriction to me. Only that the whole thing uses 2.5" pipe, the rest looks like a pretty clear flow through.
I can't stand the way these cars sound without a res though. I want to try the whisper resonator that ZZP sells. I'm waiting for something in my exhaust to let go so I can justify redoing the whole catback... | |
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Mr.Riviera Expert
Name : Matthew Age : 38 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4394 Merit : 101
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:25 pm | |
| thats not nearly as bad as the double walled DP or front mani's on these cars. you probably wouldnt notice much gain removing the resonator and swaping it for a 3" pipe. _________________ 1996 with 254k miles, L32 4" FWI -> ported N* -> Ported Gen V w/3.0" Pulley, Stage 3 Phenolic I/C, ZZP FMHE, 1.84 RR, Headers and 3" pipe to mufflers, F-body brakes, and lowered on Eibachs. -RIP AMG C400 White on black. Stage 2 w/E30 - 11.9@117 -daily | |
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Jason Aficionado
Name : Jason Age : 41 Location : Comox, BC, Canada Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 1378 Merit : 66
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:53 pm | |
| the stock res is 2.25" at its widest point. I agree that the stock downpipe is the most restrictive part.. | |
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deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Resonator Questions Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:04 pm | |
| oh right, 2.25. But still it doesn't look too restrictive beyond the diameter... | |
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