Green fluid on the ground...Solved.

Rickw wrote:

If they are the same P/N how can you order a "GOOD" one.?

They're the same brand and the same application, but not the same part number... and of course, the Chinese one is cheaper.

IBx1 wrote:

I think I'm gonna get a new(not remanufactured) Cardone instead, it's a dollar more but the Gates says it might not include the pulley, where the Cardone even has a gasket.

The WP pulley is not a big deal, it just bolts onto the WP hub. Remember to use Loctite Blue on those bolts, though.

As for gaskets - a gasket for the Gates will be like $4.00 or so; I don't think it requires the metal gasket.

ASC is not a rotten brand, just not familiar. They are part of the group of companies that make Airtex fuel pumps, Champion Labs oil fiters, other parts too. I do not know if they'd be an OE for the water pump but I reckon they would have been at one time or another. Why? well, the thing about *this* water pump is that GM has designed this exact water pump into a number of GM-made engines. Which is good for us, so that making water pumps that work well and are fairly priced is no mystery to the OEMs. However, I suspect but don't really know that there's something different about the expensive new Delco pumps. Would have to actually have them in hand for comparison. Maybe someone else knows.

Other than that, bottom line is to do your troubleshooting and act on what you find.

Albertj

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Don't sweat it too much until you can get home to trouble shoot it. A guy can spend a small fortune trying to fix the wrong problem. IMHO. Without knowing if the "fluid" was Coolant or something all together different its hard to say what needs to be fixed. Just my @0.02

I agree 100%. Very good advice. Near everything we know about this problem is purely speculative. There's a high probability nothing is wrong with the car.

The fluid may be a separate problem, but the water pump needs to be replaced. It's needed a replacement for quite a while now, actually.

Rickw wrote:

If they are the same P/N how can you order a "GOOD" one.?

Good question RIck - turns out they are not the same P/N - RockAuto.com shows 2 Delco P/N for a '98 Riv for instance--

1) Delco 252-693 is $36.- and is GM#88926207, an aftermarket design. My GUESS is it's the Gates.
2) Delco 251-718 is $86.- and is intended to replace GM#12482903, 19209288, 89060462, 31028266, 89017813, 89018214, 89060462 as well as Delco 251-562C #, 251562, 251562C, 251701, 251715. I'm not sure whose this would be.

I have an old 'fiche today - and for what it's worth, 12482903 is the original GM number for the '96-99 SC (1-series) engines as well as the '96-97 N/A (K-series) engines (Delco 251-562); 12482919 is the original GM number for the '95 engines (Delco 251-545). Again - FWIW - difference appears to be the hub on which you have to attach the pulley. I bet the '95 pulley was different size or some such than the '96 and later ones due to belt routing or some such -- BUT I don't really know.

Albertj

Well, after getting home, it turned out that my water pump was in really bad shape. So bad that the belt was thrown off by the wobbling pulley and all the coolant came out at the pump. The car was immediately shut off when this happened, which was a month or so ago, and it is being towed up by AAA to my mechanic Friday. I bought a new Cardone pump with gasket, and I just hope the mechanic can get it done within 5 hours. He gives me great prices on his work but still 5 hours is a lot of labor.

do it yourself

robotennis61 wrote:

do it yourself

You're hilarious. I don't have the tools, time, or knowledge to even begin to do it.

At least he knows his limitations.
And doesn't get in over his head.

after looking into the engine compartment after my pump blew, i thought the same thing. but its not that hard really. hardest part besides the physical part is to catalogue the bolts making sure they go back in the correct place...

I once thought about quitting, when my motor blew. But with the love and support of my fellow rivperformance members i was able to get back on my feet and put that new motor in.. Now i am sure you have a Great reason not to attempt this task alone. Well, I guess if a person never quit when the going got tough, they wouldn't anything to regret for the rest of their life. Well good luck to you Ilan. I'm sure this decision won't haunt you forever.

Travis,
I think I've said it before;
What a dipshit, grow up.
Why not explain, step by step how to do the job for him, based on your experience doing it before. Help a brother out instead of beating him down.

Listen folks, I'm not home, ok? I'm home from college from Wednesday to Sunday for Thanksgiving, and this has to get done now. I don't have the tools to pull a belt, jack a car up, perform a coolant system flush, or the knowledge to do any of it. I don't have the time to do any of it. The car won't be fixed until after I go back to college. Get it? I got plenty of great reasons people. If I could fix cars, I'd do it myself. I can't fix cars though. I can change my own oil, and I'm very proud of that and it's a lot of fun for me, and I can do little things here and there, but I cannot fix engines. So quit telling me to do an intensive job like this by myself. I didn't grow up under a car, I don't know how to do repair work, and I certainly don't trust myself messing around with something I only know and understand in theory and concept of how it works.

Then pay someone to do it and let us know who it is, so we can make sure he's doing it right.
.Or, don't tell us who it is and enjoy the finished product..

This got all Fucked up.......This is Ilan's post not mine.??????

Listen folks, I'm not home, ok? I'm home from college from Wednesday to Sunday for Thanksgiving, and this has to get done now. I don't have the tools to pull a belt, jack a car up, perform a coolant system flush, or the knowledge to do any of it. I don't have the time to do any of it. The car won't be fixed until after I go back to college. Get it? I got plenty of great reasons people. If I could fix cars, I'd do it myself. I can't fix cars though. I can change my own oil, and I'm very proud of that and it's a lot of fun for me, and I can do little things here and there, but I cannot fix engines. So quit telling me to do an intensive job like this by myself. I didn't grow up under a car, I don't know how to do repair work, and I certainly don't trust myself messing around with something I only know and understand in theory and concept of how it works.

His name is Rick, he's the best mechanic at the dealership I used to take my car to, M&S Chevy/Buick/Cadillac/GMC/Pontiac of Pawling up Route 22 in NY. I interviewed him for my senior research project to learn about automatic transmissions, since he's "the wikipedia of the service dept." He rebuilt my supercharger snout and only charged me $200, since I supplied the parts. He held onto the broken pieces to show me how what had happened, happened. I trust his work and he gave me a very good price, even for worst case scenario(~5 hour job), with this fix.

Rickw wrote:

Travis,
I think I've said it before;
What a dipshit, grow up.
Why not explain, step by step how to do the job for him, based on your experience doing it before. Help a brother out instead of beating him down.

LOL.. Haven't any of you seen dodgeball the movie?? The part where lance armstrong gives his speech? Guess what... That whole last part of what i wrote above..... is his quote with a slight few words changed.. HAHA.. and Rick.. there is a step by step how to on the first page of this thread.
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I wouldn't want to change a WP in a college parking lot anyway. It doesn't sound any more difficult than changing belts, just a time consuming PITA. I guess I ought to go ahead and do it when I change my coolant.

Rickw wrote:

Listen folks, I'm not home, ok? I'm home from college from Wednesday to Sunday for Thanksgiving, and this has to get done now. I don't have the tools to pull a belt, jack a car up, perform a coolant system flush, or the knowledge to do any of it. I don't have the time to do any of it. The car won't be fixed until after I go back to college. Get it? I got plenty of great reasons people. If I could fix cars, I'd do it myself. I can't fix cars though. I can change my own oil, and I'm very proud of that and it's a lot of fun for me, and I can do little things here and there, but I cannot fix engines. So quit telling me to do an intensive job like this by myself. I didn't grow up under a car, I don't know how to do repair work, and I certainly don't trust myself messing around with something I only know and understand in theory and concept of how it works.

Rickw is in college too

Bert

Who signed me up for college.(Again)
If it were me, I think I'd know it.
Not to mention that I'd be changing the pump out in the parking lot and letting all the coolant go down the drain.

Jack the R wrote:

I wouldn't want to change a WP in a college parking lot anyway. It doesn't sound any more difficult than changing belts, just a time consuming PITA. I guess I ought to go ahead and do it when I change my coolant.

Are you hearing any bearing noise from it.?
Is it still pumping good?
Why do you want to change it, because of the miles on it??????

Because of the miles. I had a water pump fail on me on the road once and it was a huge PITA. I didn't notice any warning signs.

robotennis61 wrote:

after looking into the engine compartment after my pump blew, i thought the same thing. but its not that hard really. hardest part besides the physical part is to catalogue the bolts making sure they go back in the correct place...

And installation torque values.I removed the bolts securing mime to assist in the replacement of all the pulleys.
I'm glad I did it myself as it helped doing the final job.lT Grey interior

"lT Grey interior". What the he$$ does this mean?

I should not be posting Tonight.!!
That was a question i had for another post ?????