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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:23 pm | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:24 pm | |
| Didn't take too much effort is covering up the plates, they will be wall covering shortly. | |
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Abaddon Expert
Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4315 Merit : 185
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:29 pm | |
| Welcome to the site! Not a bad lookin car for sittin around awhile! Don't think you'll find too much info on the site about internal engine stuff, but some of us have the knowledge and the info! Don't be afraid to ask...... | |
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Jason Aficionado
Name : Jason Age : 41 Location : Comox, BC, Canada Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 1378 Merit : 66
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:49 pm | |
| I like the black/ruby red combo. Since you have to tear the engine apart anyway you may as well get a mild cam, ported supercharger casing and lower intake manifold and upgrade to the aluminium lower intake manifold gasket. They are relatively low cost parts and you will be in there anyway. | |
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IBx1 Expert
Name : ILAN Age : 33 Location : College Station, TX Joined : 2007-12-30 Post Count : 4304 Merit : 69
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:57 pm | |
| Looks good for sitting around, and the Pontiac wheels actually work well with the Riv!
Once you have the engine apart, if you want to do mods get cams, rockers, etc. now. Put them in now and later you can drop the S/C pulley size. Luckily you have a Series II engine which is a lot more mod friendly than the Series I in the '95s. | |
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BMD Aficionado
Name : BMD Location : Canada Joined : 2009-04-28 Post Count : 1161 Merit : 36
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:07 pm | |
| - Jason wrote:
- I like the black/ruby red combo.
Welcome, ditto on the colour combo. Glad to see your gonna resurrect her. Your interior matches mine, and the wood inlay in the interior looks original, not aftermarket. | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:09 pm | |
| - Jason wrote:
- I like the black/ruby red combo. Since you have to tear the engine apart anyway you may as well get a mild cam, ported supercharger casing and lower intake manifold and upgrade to the aluminium lower intake manifold gasket. They are relatively low cost parts and you will be in there anyway.
Thanks for the heads up. I have the original supercharger (Bad Bearing) as well so I will be playing with that. I've already read about the intake problems so that will definitely be addressed while I have it apart. - BMD wrote:
- Jason wrote:
- I like the black/ruby red combo.
Welcome, ditto on the colour combo. Glad to see your gonna resurrect her. Your interior matches mine, and the wood inlay in the interior looks original, not aftermarket. Yeah has to be original, the guy i got it from is the original owner and he's about 70. - IBx1 wrote:
- Looks good for sitting around, and the Pontiac wheels actually work well with the Riv!
Have to give them back...lol Hes got the original chrome wheels on his GTP. | |
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stan Expert
Joined : 2007-07-01 Post Count : 2558 Merit : 12
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:38 pm | |
| hi Kelly welcome!The car is in not that bad a shape.What`s teh mileage? | |
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albertj Master
Name : Location : Finger Lakes of New York State Joined : 2007-05-31 Post Count : 8685 Merit : 181
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:50 pm | |
| I wonder if that 'spun bearing' is actually the alternator. when the alt bearing goes it sounds very grave.
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playa Fanatic
Name : Mark Age : 46 Location : Newberg, OR Joined : 2009-03-17 Post Count : 394 Merit : 11
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:20 am | |
| I am so very jealous | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:07 am | |
| _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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J. Chris Davis Aficionado
Name : Chris Davis Age : 43 Location : Dixon, IL Joined : 2010-04-14 Post Count : 1008 Merit : 19
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:16 am | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:26 am | |
| - stan wrote:
- hi Kelly welcome!The car is in not that bad a shape.What`s teh mileage?
Hi, you know what? I honestly haven't even looked at the mileage yet. Weird. I'm getting the keys from him tonight and will take a look at that if I can tread though the 1.5' of snow we will have on the ground by then. - albertj wrote:
- I wonder if that 'spun bearing' is actually the alternator. when the alt bearing goes it sounds very grave.
Man if thats the alternator then that is the worse sounding faulty alt bearing I've ever heard. I'm going to have to get it up in the air and get under there and we will see. Really would be steal if all it was, was a $200 alternator. - AA wrote:
- Welcome, Kelly. If you haven't seen this thread yet, check the link:
https://rivperformance.editboard.com/t2840p30-write-up-xp-cam-valvetrain-install
I agree, make sure it needs to be torn apart before you go in! Thanks man, great write up and I've got that same package put together with the exception of the other things the Xp kit recommends (like double roller TC and front cover.) However, heres my pickle. I'm already building 2 gas hogs(87 Chevy SWB and 78 Chevy Malibu). I know this is a silly question for someone wanting to mod an engine but I'll ask it anyways. What are the chances of building this with the XP cam and other recommended components while still keeping the MPG to 20-25 (when needed)? | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:37 am | |
| The cam will kill your economy. Go with high lift roller rockers instead - you'll see better than 25 MPG on the highway. I average 21 MPG combined. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Abaddon Expert
Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4315 Merit : 185
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:39 am | |
| - Bowersk wrote:
- Thanks man, great write up and I've got that same package put together with the exception of the other things the Xp kit recommends (like double roller TC and front cover.) However, heres my pickle. I'm already building 2 gas hogs(87 Chevy SWB and 78 Chevy Malibu). I know this is a silly question for someone wanting to mod an engine but I'll ask it anyways. What are the chances of building this with the XP cam and other recommended components while still keeping the MPG to 20-25 (when needed)?
As long as your not on the throttle hard all the time, MPG's stay up there pretty good. Even with a shit-ton of mods, you can still get about 30mpg on the freeway when tuned properly. | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:53 am | |
| MPG may not be an issue if I keep reading about these things. I have a $2500 budget to get this car on the street and all the stuff I'm reading is making me want to scrap the 78 Malibu project. $2500 -$ 300 - Price of Car -$ 250- Tax/Title/License $1950 left
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Abaddon Expert
Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4315 Merit : 185
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:55 am | |
| Nah, scrap the Riv and build the Malibu....those cars are just plain mean lookin when done right. | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:01 am | |
| Well maybe not scrap, but delay is a possibility. My first car was a 78. Dad trailered the rolling chassis home when I was 16 and said "here you go, you want to drive a car, make it go". I have pictures on a hard drive somewhere, I'll have to find it and I'll post all my other rides in the "other rides" thread.
Malibu is the long term project as me and my son are building it as his first car (hes 9). I threw my first one together and didn't do everything right. This one is getting everything done correctly starting with frame work which was a huge problem on those old G bodies. | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:03 am | |
| Main reason for getting the riv is so that I can actually drive somewhere in decent style while getting decent mpg. Daily driver right now is a 93 Chevy 4x4 that I traded my Jeep xj for. Stupid trade but when I'm done with that I should be able to flip it for $1000 or more profit. | |
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Abaddon Expert
Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4315 Merit : 185
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:23 am | |
| I see. Well in that case, get the Riv runnin! Wasn't sure of the "condition" of the Malibu.
Even if you don't do too many mods to the Riv, get that bearing (if it is a bearing) fixed, toss a cam in it while you have the engine out, and you could be runnin pretty quick. With a decent cam, some headers, and somewhere between a 3.0"-3.2" pulley (w/o Intercooler), I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the outcome. Obviously, some more mods would be needed, but it's nothing really expensive, and everything is pretty much bolt-on and tune! | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:52 am | |
| Well I got to take a closer look at it this weekend and here is what I came up with. First off the car came in at 177k miles. I started it real quick so i could climb under and see if I could better tell where the knocking is coming from. Definitely coming from inside the oil pan. Car is also running EXTREMELY rough which makes me think there is possibly more problems in that cylinder due to the knocking rod. Also took the engine cover off and it looked like some antifreeze on the side of the motor. I have a feeling that draining the oil this next weekend will prove my theory of a blown head gasket.
I looked around and all I can find is a motor out of a 99 for $750 with 80k on it. As of right now, its looking bleak for this one. That would get me up to $1250 invested and after I get all the parts I WANT for it I'll be over the budget for this car. Unless I can get lucky and find a good cheap shortblock, I'm thinking I will just Part this thing out and move on to another one.
However, the side of my brain that usually second guesses every well thought out decision I make is telling me to increase my budget another $1000 and keep on truckin. These things are going from $2500 to 5k in my area and this thing is really in better shape than the other ones I'm seeing.
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Abaddon Expert
Name : Scott Location : Macomb, Michigan Joined : 2010-02-24 Post Count : 4315 Merit : 185
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 am | |
| As for the Head Gasket.....take a closer look and see if the coolant is coming from the Lower Intake Gasket. On the driver side (front of engine), if the LIM is leaking bad enough, coolant will run down the front of the engine, and down the transmission giving the "appearance" of a Head Gasket leak...looks can be deceiving. It's rare that a Head Gasket blows on a 3800, although they are NOTORIOUS for blowin the LIM. In fact, I've done 2 LIM sets in the last 3 days (GP's). Oil/Coolant can and will puddle up in the valleys of the LIM. Pull the engine cover and look underneath the throttle body, and over under the Alternator. You'll see right away what I'm talking about (if this is the leak). As for the knock, 3800's do spin bearings occasionally. It doesn't happen on very many of them, but when an internal failure ocurs, it's usually a spun bearing. The engine is quite easy to work on, and will last a VERY long time if properly cared for. If you're going to repair it, you may as well do it right and enjoy the car. If not, us fine folks at RivPerformance would probably love to strip that thing naked | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:45 am | |
| Lol, I'll keep that in mind. I could atleast tripple my investment by just parting it out. I'm going to tear down the top end this weekend and go from there. | |
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Bowersk Enthusiast
Name : Bowers Age : 44 Location : Okawville, Il Joined : 2011-01-19 Post Count : 219 Merit : 7
| Subject: Re: Buick N00b, saying hi. Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:00 pm | |
| Anyone know what wheels those are on the black car in the banner? | |
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