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GothicVash Enthusiast
Name : tyler Age : 38 Location : fairfield CT Joined : 2007-10-15 Post Count : 123 Merit : 0
| Subject: Twin Charging Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:26 pm | |
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97rivman Fanatic
Name : alex Age : 38 Location : Crete,IL Joined : 2007-06-09 Post Count : 484 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:06 pm | |
| - GothicVash wrote:
- can you put a turbo on the sc?
yes and no...on my setup, with a few extra modifications, I can easily run a gen V SC and a t-70-88mm turbo. upwards to 30 psi on a stock setup....yeah sure....you'll blow the fuck out of ur motor, but you can do it. me and Eric are working on pioneering these cars into actually being fast....let alone which one of ours is actually faster??? Im sure hes gradually catching up to me on $$$$ spent since ur new.....i d suggest observing other people push the limits before you decide to go completely crazy and start buying all kinds of parts
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GothicVash Enthusiast
Name : tyler Age : 38 Location : fairfield CT Joined : 2007-10-15 Post Count : 123 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:07 pm | |
| i did not know in any circumestances you could i thought it was one or the other and thats it interesting to know what do you have to do to get it to have a turbo | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:13 pm | |
| I've definitely wanted to do that. When I can support/afford a turbo (it's gonna be a while) I plan to twin charge. I'm kind of modding according to this plan. (ie the reason i'm not getting headers, genV, etc.) | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:06 am | |
| quote: "can you put a turbo on the sc?"
Absolutely. ZZP did this to break the FWD 3.8L V6 1/4 mile record, and VW has already used a production twin-charged I-4 in some of its smaller cars.
The benefits of twin-charging is you get the low-end torque from a blower, plus the high-RPM boost from the turbo. Perhaps the best part is the fuel efficiency. This arrangement gets superior fuel economy compared to a N/A engine of similar power output, because the engine displacement can be very small. VW's example is only 1.4L, but makes up to 200hp! _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:38 pm | |
| Having only theory, I think it can be done best if a secondary boost control (line running from the compressor side of the turbo through a basic boost controller T'd to the pressure side of the stock BBV) to make the boost bypass valve open once the turbo reaches a specified amount of boost (probably around 10 psi) so that the boost will follow through the bypassed blower. I speculate that might work pretty well. At that point the blower wont be drawing much more than the alternator and making all kinds of heat and parasitic loss and the turbo can do it's thing. It should just take some careful tuning, and adjustment to work nicely. Of course the prerequisite engine modifications should be considered with regards to the most extreme of the two. I would say a fully built bottom end, in/out ported s/c housing for best turbo results, perhaps a custom grind cam, would be a must if any kind of really big power advantage is expected. | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:39 pm | |
| as long as i still have the riv by the time this is within my financial reach, this is what i'm doing | |
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ericde Enthusiast
Joined : 2008-01-25 Post Count : 108 Merit : 1
| Subject: turbo kit for supercharger lol Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:32 am | |
| there making turbos to bolt on a 3800 seris 2 supercharged engines check it out at www.3800performance.com this gtp ran 11. with the turbo crazy!!!!! | |
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ericde Enthusiast
Joined : 2008-01-25 Post Count : 108 Merit : 1
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:32 am | |
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T Riley Guru
Name : Travis Age : 34 Location : Minnesconsin Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 5127 Merit : 10
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:47 am | |
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TonySmooth89 Aficionado
Name : Anthony Age : 35 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-11-14 Post Count : 2410 Merit : 16
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:19 am | |
| Ya theres actually at least 3 turbo kits that i know of out there. Its old news. Very good way to make BIG power. | |
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1998 Riv Expert
Name : Dave Age : 64 Location : In The AZ Oven Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4502 Merit : 44
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:02 pm | |
| A local guy is twin-charging his GP. Yes, a turbo ahead of the SC. Sounds like it will be running at the track this Saturday, too bad I can't go this time. | |
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TonySmooth89 Aficionado
Name : Anthony Age : 35 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-11-14 Post Count : 2410 Merit : 16
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:23 pm | |
| - 1998 Riv wrote:
- A local guy is twin-charging his GP. Yes, a turbo ahead of the SC. Sounds like it will be running at the track this Saturday, too bad I can't go this time.
Sounds like it will be a nightmare to tune. | |
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1998 Riv Expert
Name : Dave Age : 64 Location : In The AZ Oven Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4502 Merit : 44
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:44 pm | |
| Maybe. But he knows what he's doing. | |
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seviper22 Rookie
Name : Kyle Age : 35 Location : Clarksburg WV. Joined : 2009-11-08 Post Count : 15 Merit : 0
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L67 Aficionado
Name : Matt Joined : 2007-06-05 Post Count : 1125 Merit : 37
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seviper22 Rookie
Name : Kyle Age : 35 Location : Clarksburg WV. Joined : 2009-11-08 Post Count : 15 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:37 pm | |
| no both in the same motor a supercharger and a turbo>? | |
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L67 Aficionado
Name : Matt Joined : 2007-06-05 Post Count : 1125 Merit : 37
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:40 pm | |
| - seviper22 wrote:
- no both in the same motor a supercharger and a turbo>?
Yes thats what that guy is running, I have a picture of it but i can't seem to find it. Edit: Here ya go, | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:02 pm | |
| Theres a few people with setups like that. In fact zzperforamance sells kits for the explicit purpose of twin charging - running the blower with a turbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyt_9BwDi6Q here's a pretty neat one | |
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Z-type Aficionado
Name : Andrew Zamiska Age : 37 Location : Cecil, PA - 25 miles south of Pittsburgh Joined : 2009-06-29 Post Count : 1429 Merit : 63
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:08 pm | |
| Yeah the idea is to have the supercharger boost at first then once the turbo spools up, it 'takes over' the job of boosting. It's a neat looking idea. If I had a setup like that, you'd be I'd have custom emblems made that said 'twincharged'. Mwahaha. | |
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seviper22 Rookie
Name : Kyle Age : 35 Location : Clarksburg WV. Joined : 2009-11-08 Post Count : 15 Merit : 0
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8067 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:17 pm | |
| - turtleman wrote:
- Theres a few people with setups like that. In fact zzperforamance sells kits for the explicit purpose of twin charging - running the blower with a turbo
Where? | |
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robotennis61 Guru
Name : robotennis Age : 63 Location : las vegas Joined : 2007-12-17 Post Count : 5562 Merit : 143
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:10 am | |
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turtleman Expert
Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:24 am | |
| - Jack the R wrote:
- turtleman wrote:
- Theres a few people with setups like that. In fact zzperforamance sells kits for the explicit purpose of twin charging - running the blower with a turbo
Where? http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=411&catid=109 Take a look at the first drop-down option "Model" There's a little info down at the FAQ on the twin charge option but it's pretty vague | |
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Eldo Expert
Name : Mark Age : 59 Location : West Salem, Oregon... FINALLY Joined : 2009-04-09 Post Count : 3174 Merit : 104
| Subject: Re: Twin Charging Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:08 am | |
| There's excess, and then there's wretched excess... | |
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