Write-Up: No Start + 3 min delay / Disabling PASS-Key II Security

lamluca wrote:: you know, it's funny, but whoever builds my module with the free instructions on the website can steal a huge amount of GM cars very easily with it... It would take 3-4 minutes for me (and I'm not on cars at all) to install that module on a LeSabre 92-99, I can't imagine for a professional thief

Not so funny, actually...
No hate, but that's exactly why I wish that your information wasn't out there. nervous

The only thing slowing down the thieves is the placement of the module & wiring in the different cars...

the stealers or the stealerships... This is the problem smile

I personally don't worry about my car getting stolen. I don't think anyone wants a 12 or 13 year old car. No matter what condition it's in.
If I were to by-pass all the OEM stuff and was worried about theft, then install an aftermarket theft device or remove the magic box from the glovebox as has been suggested.

lamluca wrote:: the stealers or the stealerships... This is the problem

Yes, but the dealerships give the car back...

if the value of the car is > 1000$ then I'm with you Eldo ...

So, "stealerships" are out to steal cars? Really? Wouldn't they install your module at the factory if this were so? I mean, surely they wouldn't have designed a Theft Deterrent System and installed it if it wasn't meant for one.

I simply hate the entire idea of it all. It's a neatly built waste of time and a hack fix IMO. As far as thieves are concerned. I agree with Eldo on this one. This information shouldn't be out "here". Yes, your obviously good at what you do, as the design and function are done well. However, maybe you should devote your brain power more toward solving the problem rather than disabling a system that has a good purpose. Then post that info as well......

It's cool that you would share your "invention" with others to use as they wish....but again, IMO, a waste of brain power.

I didn't take what he said to mean the Dealerships are out to steal your car.
Slealerships are out to take your money.
That's all.

when this problem happened to my LeSabre, I've got a dealer sadistically smiling at me and asking 1300$. I did not smile and I did have only 13$ in my pockets. The only thing I owned was my old LeSabre - not even a house or a piece of garden or anything. Just that LeSabre and my family.
How could I go to work the next monday?

Ok, my website was born and exists for people in this situation. And from the emails that I receive there is people of this type and with this problem all over North America now.

lamluca wrote:: when this problem happened to my LeSabre, I've got a dealer sadistically smiling at me and asking 1300$. I did not smile and I did have only 13$ in my pockets. The only thing I owned was my old LeSabre - not even a house or a piece of garden or anything. Just that LeSabre and my family.
How could I go to work the next monday?

Ok, my website was born and exists for people in this situation. And from the emails that I receive there is people of this type and with this problem all over North America now.

Then maybe, as this is a hobby, you could offer the product at a discounted rate, by discounting your labor rate, to Rivperformance members that are in that same financial shape.? Like me for instance. No work and minimal income. Actually unable to work due to a disability.
What income i currently get goes to pay medical bills that are not covered by insurance of any kind.

Rickw, that's the reason the project is free on the website. Radioshack could be the source for the components.
It's not really an hobby for me at all - I had to find a solution cause I had no alternatives. And believe me, it took me 100+ email requests before I decided to put my work on sale on the website. And I stay up in the night to build those.

I want to help and the free project is helping everybody and that is really the best I can do.
But there are exception - like now for example I have one of them made on my table and if you need it and if your car has a standalone TDM you can have it for free (at cost of shipping). But these exceptions are very rare smile

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It turns out the question of how to disable the factory security has been asked before by Riviera owners. The recent information re: lamluca's product and free build plan will stay in this thread for informative purposes, and as an option to those who chose to bypass the factory security system. The information could be useful for someone in need of a quick fix. It is certainly useful for all of us to be aware of it.

This is not any different than disabling other features such as ABS, airbag, AC, cat converter, etc. - all of which there is no harm in discussing. Disabling of these features is at your own risk.

Thank you,
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AA wrote:: This is not any different than disabling other features such as ABS, airbag, AC, cat converter, etc. - all of which there is no harm in discussing. Disabling of these features is at your own risk.

Thank you,
Admin

I think the main point of the objections here were not about what we do to our own cars, but rather that the info helps other people steal them...

now when i put the key in the ignition the security light stays lit car will not start and the relay in the fuze box clicks when i try and trun the car over..???is it supposed to click?

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the Security system only disables the fuel injectors, not the starter. If the starter relay is clicking, something is wrong between the relay and the starter......

Abaddon wrote:: I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the Security system only disables the fuel injectors, not the starter. If the starter relay is clicking, something is wrong between the relay and the starter......

Yes, the Security system does disable the starter... that's why there is a Starter Enable relay down by the BCM.

From the '97 manual:

If the values do not match, the PASS-Key

II theft deterrent module performs
the following system disable functions for approximately 3 minutes:

* No ground is provided to the starter enable relay. The starter is disabled.
* No command is given to the PCM to enable the fuel delivery system.

(This is also a reminder that you have to wait at least 3 minutes between tries...)

Last edited by albertj on Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:02 pm; edited 1 time in total

billythekid7 wrote:: i dont have a FSM

If you're going to own/operate a car this age, you'll need an FSM. Even if you don't do the work yourself, not that many mechanics will be familiar with the Riviera beyond the hard parts in the engine and transmission. The FSM helps you (and them) understand it. They are usually pretty reasonable on eBay.

Albertj

Albert is right, Billy... Take a look:

Complete Manuals starting at $29!

ok yeah so if i turn the key real fast i will start if i leave the key in and roll down a window the security locks me out for 3 mins...?? any ideas?

billythekid7 wrote:: ok yeah so if i turn the key real fast i will start if i leave the key in and roll down a window the security locks me out for 3 mins...?? any ideas?

get the FSM. It will explain a lot, and until you get one I'm silent on this problem.

Albertj

Eldo wrote:: Yes, the Security system does disable the starter... that's why there is a Starter Enable relay down by the BCM.

From the '97 manual:

If the values do not match, the PASS-Key II theft deterrent module performs
the following system disable functions for approximately 3 minutes:

* No ground is provided to the starter enable relay. The starter is disabled.
* No command is given to the PCM to enable the fuel delivery system.

He said the relay was/is clicking though. Eh, I hate Body systems. Didn't have to work on 'em at the dealer, we had a "guy" for that lol.

billythekid7 wrote:: ok yeah so if i turn the key real fast i will start if i leave the key in and roll down a window the security locks me out for 3 mins...?? any ideas?

You should probably do some troubleshooting. My educated guess is a bad ignition switch, but if you replace that without properly troubleshooting the problem you are wasting money. The FSM costs about the equivelant of 2 hours of "shop labor" brand new, so it pays for itself on the first use. This is a great time to buy one.

Last edited by Eldo on Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:28 pm; edited 1 time in total

Abaddon wrote:

Eldo wrote:: Yes, the Security system does disable the starter... that's why there is a Starter Enable relay down by the BCM.

From the '97 manual:

If the values do not match, the PASS-Key II theft deterrent module performs
the following system disable functions for approximately 3 minutes:

* No ground is provided to the starter enable relay. The starter is disabled.
* No command is given to the PCM to enable the fuel delivery system.

He said the relay was/is clicking though. Eh, I hate Body systems. Didn't have to work on 'em at the dealer, we had a "guy" for that lol.

True, but he didn't say which of the 4 'fuze' boxes he was talking about... wink

Touche Eldo, touche clap

Abaddon wrote:: Touche Eldo, touche

Thank youuuuu, thank you very much! Eldo has left the building... scat

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