front license plate removal

to remove the plate,i employed the Vulcan mind meld technique. i placed my hands on the and i patiently waited for the connection . when it was made, the plate just floated off. its that simple.

How much $$$ for you to perform your skills on mine.
I'll drive to you. Vegas here I come.!!!
Plus actual photo's of Robo will be worth it for Rivperformance to see.
I could probably start a donation fund to cover my expenses and be there in a week.
What say you.? What say you'all.?

Sweepspear wrote:

1998 Riv wrote:

I won't put a front plate on until the day they write a ticket for it. In what, 3 years, I've been stopped just one time for speeding, and no big deal was made of the front plate, other than asking me about it. I highly doubt I'd ever get stopped just for the plate.

While I am tempted to remove it, the cops around here just look for things like this to pull people over for.
It also seems they pay more attention to my Riviera than any car I have owned in a long time. I don't know what the deal is. Might be a trouble maker that owns one the same color as mine or something, but on more than one occasion I have had them speed up and pull up on my bumper, then back off which makes me think they are running the plate.
One even did a U-turn in the street after passing me going the other direction to do this.

Makes me feel 18 again.

Yeah that plate was getting ran lol. Once I got pulled over for a ticket and got the opportunity to tour the Eastpointe Police Department's holding suite from getting just that done to me.

Rickw wrote:

Does LIDAR need the front license plate.?

In general, the lower and more rounded the car (like ours,) the more the flat, vertical, reflectorized license plate helps the Lidar get a return signal. One site claims that tests on a C5 Corvette were only 1/4 as effective without a front plate.

uhhhhh...what is LIDAR

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIDAR ·

So does this mean it makes a cop's job of getting my speed harder having no front plate if he/she's running laser on my car?!? LOL Eff those bastards.... no really...

Yes and No.
If your traveling amongst other vehicles, it will pick them off quicker if they have a front plate, or a pick up truck with a lot of frontal area, etc.
But if you are the only one cresting the hill, even if you have a Radar Detector, you get nabbed.
Your radar Detector is useless because the cop is only going to squeeze the trigger once he see's you and all you will hear is your Radar detector tell you that your all done. That's if your detector can pick up LIDAR. Most can't except the most expensive. But even still, LIDAR only displays a short distance, so you physically have no time to react.
That happened to me in CT. Passing a convoy of tractor trailers, on an uphill climb, they were in the right lane and me in the left, I crested the hill just before the last truck I passed, so guess who the LIDAR picked off at 90 +mph.

Quote :

So does this mean it makes a cop's job of getting my speed harder having no front plate if he/she's running laser on my car?!? happy LOL Eff those bastards.... no really...

It absolutely makes their job harder, and it's part of the reason I don't wear a front plate. I just passed a trooper yesterday doing 75 in a 55, had the gun pointed right at me as I was slowing at a near panic rate. There were other cars near me doing the speed limit. Not having a flat reflective target made it harder for him to lock onto me. In order to do it, he needs to hit one of the headlamps for a bounce.

Here's a link to discussion about mounting a non-reflective decoy plate in the center to buy the driver time before they go for other reflective surfaces. Interesting stuff:

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/other-countermeasures/39892-non-front-license-states-use-fake-front-plate-decoy.html

Sweepspear wrote:

1998 Riv wrote:

I won't put a front plate on until the day they write a ticket for it. In what, 3 years, I've been stopped just one time for speeding, and no big deal was made of the front plate, other than asking me about it. I highly doubt I'd ever get stopped just for the plate.

While I am tempted to remove it, the cops around here just look for things like this to pull people over for.
It also seems they pay more attention to my Riviera than any car I have owned in a long time. I don't know what the deal is. Might be a trouble maker that owns one the same color as mine or something, but on more than one occasion I have had them speed up and pull up on my bumper, then back off which makes me think they are running the plate.
One even did a U-turn in the street after passing me going the other direction to do this.

Makes me feel 18 again.

this sounds all too familiar, must be a MN thing .
try putting some flashy wheels and dark tint on, you might as well just assume every cop that sees you will come after you if he can, at least thats what its like here in duluth...

AA wrote:

Quote :

So does this mean it makes a cop's job of getting my speed harder having no front plate if he/she's running laser on my car?!? happy LOL Eff those bastards.... no really...

It absolutely makes their job harder, and it's part of the reason I don't wear a front plate. I just passed a trooper yesterday doing 75 in a 55, had the gun pointed right at me as I was slowing at a near panic rate. There were other cars near me doing the speed limit. Not having a flat reflective target made it harder for him to lock onto me. In order to do it, he needs to hit one of the headlamps for a bounce.

Here's a link to discussion about mounting a non-reflective decoy plate in the center to buy the driver time before they go for other reflective surfaces. Interesting stuff:

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/other-countermeasures/39892-non-front-license-states-use-fake-front-plate-decoy.html

yeah, cause pulling someone over to ruin their day is SOOO hard .
i havent checked that link out yet, but i had kind of an idea. you say that they need a flat area to reflect off of, usually being the front plate. but without a front plate, they use the headlights/etc to get a reading. what if you used that non-reflective spray for traffic cameras on your headlights? or even better yet (even though it obviously wouldnt happen) what if you coated a whole car in non-reflective paint/material? would they be able to get a reading at all?
also, with you saying that they use "reflective surfaces", does that mean cars with more chrome or that are kept really clean have more of a chance of getting picked out by a radar gun? if so, that explains a lot...

It's a combination of many factors that make your car more or less easily detected. Frontal area, surface angles, reflective surfaces, and dirt all contribute to how easily an officer can lock onto your car. The officer's skill and whether or not he's using a tripod also has a lot to do with it.

There's no car that's invisible to radar or laser. If they make a positive lock and the gun reports a speed, you're done. This takes only a split second. But there are ways to delay the time it take the officer to make a lock. The front plate is the first place they aim for (it's in the center). If they can't get a return beam for say 1 sec because your plate isn't there to reflect, they would need to sweep over a headlamp or something else to get a reading. This is time you could use to slow down, assuming you have detected the officer's position.

so if a car were to be painted flat black headlights and all (obviously not legal), a cop would still be able to lock on to your car its just that it would take longer?

Yep, as you get closer to the cop, the laser will eventually find some surface to reflect back, providing a lock and giving a reading. But a car with dark, dull colors, no chrome, no front plate, and retracting headlamps (think '80s Vettes) can delay that, providing a longer range (more time) before the laser locks on, giving you a better chance to see the cop and slow down. Or, if you have a detector, it will alert you. There are invisible sprays that claim to protect some. Bras can help, too!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news again but in most states it is illegal to 'tamper' with the license plate in any way, this would include sprays and tinted plate covers. My state (new jersey) is so bad that I've heard of people getting pulled over because the dealer installed license plate frames cover the words New Jersey at the top of the plate, and technically that is considered obstruction of the plate. Plus from what I've read those sprays are supposed to stop the red light cameras from being able to read your plate by making it HIGHLY reflective and thus rendering the plate unreadable in a photograph. On the show Mythbusters they proved that the spray material didn't function well enough to make the plate unreadable, and IMO the reflective coating would make it easier to get picked up by LIDAR.

The sprays for LIDAR are different than those for red light cameras. They use an opposite (absorption) effect, and can also be applied to bumpers and paint. To see proven results of using VEIL spray, check this link:

http://www.guysoflidar.com/radar-detector-laser-jammer-shootout-2005/veil-stealth-coating.html

The coating is invisible, so there's no way to prove you used it on a plate. The only evidence is decreased range (increased time) before the laser can track your speed. If they can't prove it, you can't be prosecuted.

I can see how they would be concerned about covering the state name on a plate, as it makes ID on a vehicle more difficult not knowing the state.

I've also read where some people were using a color photocopy of their front plate because it reflects the laser much less, yet does not tip off the cops that it's fake, as there is no registration sticker on the front. There is no forgery of any official tags, only the plate. I have never heard of anyone getting a ticket for a photocopied front plate. And again, I've been driving without front plates on my cars (technically illegal) for over 10 years with no problems.

I stand corrected on the spray, good find Aaron. Like anything else I'm sure results will vary but it seems like it could work. I wrote the legal info not to dissuade anyone from trying it but only so they could make an informed decision.

a highway patrolman buddy of mine told me that he and his colleagues are more likely to pull over a foreign car over a domestic most times. buy American.

^^^ That idea works as long as the trooper can tell the difference between a Riviera and a Rolls Royce/Jag.

haha! i guess so..hey somebody gave me a +! how bout that!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PBQ0BAEgHU

what if you put something on the front of your car that would deflect the laser in an opposite direction? im not exactly sure how radars even work, but from what i understand its somewhat like sonar. the gun shoots out a laser and when it is reflected back to the gun they get your speed. so if you had something that wouldnt allow the laser to return to the gun but instead deflect it in another direction instead of absorbing it (non reflective surface), would they be able to get a reading?

The beam is pretty wide (a few feet) by the time it hits your car. Angled reflective panels might work, but your car would look pretty wild, kinda like this:

lol...
thats kind of what i was thinking, if it had to be legal. but not talking laws, i was talking more along the lines of maybe 1 big mirror angled to shoot the laser up into the air.
i know this would never be able to happen, but maybe if you use the concept to make some sort of deflector it would work.
pretty much what im asking is with that big angled mirror, and the laser getting deflected into the air instead of reflected back to the gun, would the officer still be able to get a reading?

What if you bent the front plate so it has a peak in the center, and is not flat?

I'm partly joking, but if the idea is to not have a flat surface....

Part of me thinks this chrome Lambo would be easy to track with laser; the other part thinks it may be near impossible:

i think as long as your car doesn't have a designated bumper "space" for a plate i.e. an indent or something like that, it is legal to not have a front plate