Group Buy: ADDCO F/R Sway Bar Kit

To those who purchased the addco rear swaybar, please send an Email to Brad at neverenough with your full postal address. He will transmit the list to Addco so that they may send out the rear bushings.

I'll update you with the front bushings when I get news.

sales@neverenoughauto.com

Thanks, I sent Brad an email.

Is $250 for the front bar over priced? Damn.
Im thinking about the fat addco in the back and the FE3 or whatever it is up front.
I have a ton of understeer I need to dump. But I dont want to go fabbing rear bars to overcompensate for a fatty addco up front.

Hmmmm..
I offered $140 for the rear. They want $167.88
COUNTER OFFER IS $158.21
Sorry but THROUGH EBAY this is the best we can do. Thanks in advance.

I think that's my cue to email somebody and make a backdoor deal.


How much did you guys pay for the front bar? I can't believe how expensive it is!

Charlie lets get a group buy going. I'd be interested in a set.

69GSColorado wrote:

Charlie lets get a group buy going. I'd be interested in a set.

Good idea! Anyone interested? $320 for both bars shipped if we get 5 people to commit and buy? Maybe we can propose that?

That sounds like a great price!

FYI, the original price for both bars + links, bushings and brackets was around $250 before shipping. Might mention this as a starting point, maybe they'll meet you in the middle.

charlieRobinson wrote:

69GSColorado wrote:

Charlie lets get a group buy going. I'd be interested in a set.

Good idea! Anyone interested? $320 for both bars shipped if we get 5 people to commit and buy? Maybe we can propose that?

I'd go for $320/shipped for both Addco bars and the mounting hardware.

AA wrote:

FYI, the original price for both bars + links, bushings and brackets was around $250 before shipping. Might mention this as a starting point, maybe they'll meet you in the middle.

When was this? Definitely good bargaining info. thank you

charlieRobinson wrote:

AA wrote:

FYI, the original price for both bars + links, bushings and brackets was around $250 before shipping. Might mention this as a starting point, maybe they'll meet you in the middle.

When was this? Definitely good bargaining info. thank you

Wow, $250 would be GREAT!

Al

Make it happen Charlie! You're the smooth talker lol

As soon as we get 5 Rivs that want em, I will propose the deal.

I might be doing Addco in the back and F41 in the front. Still havent decided yet.

This is great. I hope he gives you guys a good deal.

Charlie, before you make this deal, I'd like to hear back from Brad regarding my (our) images he's using in his eBay listings.

It turns out he's violating eBay's Image & Text policy by using them without permission. The photos may not be "mine" with regard to the entire web, but eBay actually protects the rights of intellectual property, so I suggested to Brad the Riviera Performance logo be added to the images, and went to the trouble of providing him a new set with our logo in the corners. All he needs to do is upload these to his auction. He has my permission to use, but needs to give credit to our site!

Roger that. Are you suggesting we use it at leverage?

I think he's suggesting we do whatever it takes

Lol just kidding

AA, let me know when I can email him. Is brad at sales@neverenoughauto.com ? or is that a general representative email?

Talked to Brad via email, was a little surprised at his reaction. Maybe I cought him on a bad day. I don't think this was very much to ask. He's using images that aren't his. eBay's policy is quite clear:

"eBay members are not allowed to use images—including photos and other pictures—or text they didn't create themselves."

- and -

"You may use images from other websites with permission."

But at the same time I'm not that surprised - those of us who ordered these bars from NeverEnough the first time around can remember the severe lack of customer service, incomplete sets, damaged goods, etc. Charlie, I know you don't like reading threads, but it's all been recorded here, and to summarize: it really sucked for everyone. Only after working through John at Addco did many of us get what we paid for. I never did get my links or rear bushings from Brad. I kind of gave up.

Brad's position on using our pics:

"We'll just have the images removed and move on. Bigger fish to fry. We arent using your images with the web address on them - they violate ebays image policies."

Don't know about all of you "fish", but I find it a little insulting that he views this Riviera owner as insignificant to his business. If you value your pride at all as a Riv owner, buy your bars from Summit or another vendor. I, for one, won't give another dime to NeverEnough, for these reasons: 1) poor customer service, 2) lack of respect for customers, 3) use of others' property without permission.

As I said, I really don't care that he's using our pics. But as a business professional, this isn't how you handle problems. THAT'S THE BIGGER ISSUE HERE. He could have just said, "No problem", and be done. Instead he basically tells me to suck it, using some BS reason (if eBay's image policies really prohibited Riviera Performance tags on the photos, they'd also take issue with NeverEnoughAuto tags, as they are clearly marked).

Really, this isn't about the images at all. It's about lack of integrity and principle. I was being fair and he plays the big-shot business guy card, like it's going to scare me away. F that. If this is how Brad deals with things, imagine how he'll handle your order, or worse an entire group buy. Check out Brad's 181 negative eBay feedbacks earned within the past year. That's one person every other day he's screwing over!

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=neverenoughauto&iid=310415113460&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=365

There's some really shady stuff, like selling a single strut for $46 + shipping. Item description: "GR-2 (silver)/Excel-G (black) gas shock absorbers, strut cartridges and complete struts..."

Numerous feedbacks where less items were shipped than described.

Taking up to a month to ship.

Lots of no fills and canceled orders.

Comments:

"absolute assssssssssssssssssss!!!"
"Terrible everything!"
"Absolutely the worst Ebayer I have ever done business with."
"slowest shipping i've ever had ...."
"communication was horrible!!!!!!"
"Worst ever possible to deal with."
"DO NOT BUY FROM"


Note Brad's extremely defensive, inconsiderate replies to dissatisfied customers. No wonder he's in such a bad mood!

How is this guy even still in business?!!

Yeah, forget him. We've got bigger fish to fry.

I'm hungry.

Thanks, AA.

That's too bad. But it unfortunately isn't that uncommon. It's amazing that many businesses, especially cottage industry/hobby businesses survive with such attitudes. But somehow they do, at least for a while.

Let me know who you work out a buy with, as I'm still interested.

Al

Brad is showing some interest in this through our emails. Anyone still interested in Addco sway bars? I am negotiating pricing with him now.

Trying to get 4 more people to join me in a bulk order.

I am! Provided they include the hardware

Ok. Just reply with this list and once we have five guys, not burgers, I will let butthole brad know.

1. zach
2. jordon
3.
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5.

I'm not a fan of going through with a group buy with how they responded to AA's inquiry. Even being a little off the cuff and defensive doesn't cut it in my books for a business, especially when I can get the product elsewhere. I've seen this happening with many businesses both large and small, and really the only way to make things change is to not support them. I don't care about excuses like having a bad day or that it might be cheaper than other places. I'm going to vote with my wallet. For whatever impact it makes in the world. Thats my principal for any business I deal with.

For what its worth, I was looking at a set each for both my Rivs.

charlieRobinson wrote:

Ok. Just reply with this list and once we have five guys, not burgers, I will let butthole brad know.

1. zach
2. jordon
3.
4.
5.

Charlie, I would not be surprised if Brad has looked in on this thread. Do you really want to piss him off when you would like his cooperation? BTW, I got both my bars from Brad. I had to buy the back bushings from GM as I got no satisfaction when I called to ask about whether they come with the bar or not. I had a few conversations with John at Addco, but that didn't produce any results either. He promised to send me some bushings but didn't follow through. I let it drop. If I had it to again, I would have got the bars from Summit. Having said that, the Addco bars have been one of the biggest improvements I have made to my Riviera.

Just a reminder,Jegs and Summit match anyones prices & you know who exactly you're dealing with.