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SilveR Member
Name : Alexey Age : 45 Location : Russia, Moscow Joined : 2007-03-06 Post Count : 60 Merit : 2
| Subject: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:01 am | |
| My Riv is about 100k miles and for sure I’m not satisfied with front struts. I have replaced my struts on new (aftermarket AcDelco) and certainly it became better, but … but I would not tell that it “works well” and I’m happy. I have read post from Aaron about upgrade to KYB GR-2 https://rivperformance.editboard.com/Supercharged-3800-Tech-c2/Suspension-Handling-f6/Write-Up-Installing-KYB-GR-2-Struts-t54.htmAn excellent write-up! Now I wish to throw out practically new AcDelco and to install GR-2 from KYB But my Riv is ’97!!! KYB have struts for 95-96 and for 98-99 only … Question for owners of ’97 Riviera: somebody upgraded to KYB? May be it’s possible to install struts from ’96 or from ’98? Please help. I want this KYB GR-2 | |
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8070 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:26 am | |
| I think you've got to replace stuff like the arms and who knows what else to use GR-2's on a 97. | |
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SilveR Member
Name : Alexey Age : 45 Location : Russia, Moscow Joined : 2007-03-06 Post Count : 60 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:56 am | |
| You mean that I need control arms from ’96 (or ’98)? Will it be enough? | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:35 am | |
| This is undiscovered territory, SilveR. We aren't yet sure of all the differences between '96, '97, and '98 suspensions, but we know some things. I know the brakes changed to 12" rotors for '98 (or was it '97?), so would think the steering knuckle changed.
Maybe the '97 owners can give us some feedback here to to help Alexey out? _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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SilveR Member
Name : Alexey Age : 45 Location : Russia, Moscow Joined : 2007-03-06 Post Count : 60 Merit : 2
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1998 Riv Expert
Name : Dave Age : 64 Location : In The AZ Oven Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4502 Merit : 44
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:06 am | |
| Might even be worth the effort to contact KYB directly and ask them why the 97 model year isn't included in their offerings. Maybe they would give you some very specific details on what is different. | |
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SilveR Member
Name : Alexey Age : 45 Location : Russia, Moscow Joined : 2007-03-06 Post Count : 60 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:47 am | |
| Good idea … but I afraid that it’s not so easy for me, because of my english … Maybe somebody from members will contact to KYB tech support? In any case it is very interesting info. We should close “the undiscovered territory” and put it to the FAQ section | |
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8070 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:19 pm | |
| I'm going to predict KYB tech support will not give you an answer. Call it a gut feeling - I think those guys are limited to looking stuff up in their parts catalog and know nothing about Riviera suspension.
We won't get an answer to this question until a) one of the guys from GM who worked on the Riv suspension during those years joins up or b) one of us with a 97 buys the complete front suspension from a 98 and swaps everything, documenting the differences in the parts. That's a big job for what will probably amount to not much improvement over the new OEM struts. IIRC GR2's are designed for a small improvement in handling, not sports car handling.
I'd do the sway bars/strut tower brace/ranchos and forget about it. | |
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RivMan Amateur
Name : Rob Location : Ypsilanti, Mi Joined : 2007-02-20 Post Count : 28 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:52 pm | |
| I've got a little experance here to share. Here is the 97 LCA (Top) vs the 95 LCA (Bottom) The 97 is cast aluminum (This pic is after powder coating). They use the same mount points on the subframe. Here is the 98 LCA Notice it mounts to the subframe differently then the 95-97's: I don't have any pictures of the 95 Calipers / Knuckles, but here is a pic of the 97 one's I have on my car (The caliper / bracket are LS1 camero parts) The knuckle is cast aluminum, with a caliper bracket bolted to it. On the 95's, the caliper bracket is part of the cast iron knuckle. (All 1 piece) I would assume that the 1998's use a knuckle that is similer in design, but has the bolt holes spaced differantly. I'd love to get a set to mess with though. -Rob | |
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Jason Aficionado
Name : Jason Age : 41 Location : Comox, BC, Canada Joined : 2007-01-23 Post Count : 1378 Merit : 66
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:27 am | |
| If I had practically new AC-Delco's, I'd wait for them to die. The GR-2's aren't a performance strut. You might be disappointed by the marginal increase over new AC-Delco's, especially considering the money required to get them over to you.
The GR-2's are the same part # for all the g-platform cars, including lesabre and park avenue
Also, I looked into your question RE: changing the temperature display from F to centigrade. You can't. Which is disappointing because the "lesser" 98 regal has a button to toggle between the two. | |
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SpaceBar Aficionado
Name : Patrick Age : 38 Location : Quincy, MA Joined : 2007-04-08 Post Count : 1199 Merit : 3
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:51 pm | |
| - Jason wrote:
- Also, I looked into your question RE: changing the temperature display from F to centigrade. You can't. Which is disappointing because the "lesser" 98 regal has a button to toggle between the two.
Thats probably why I thought the Riv could....was thinking of the regal. | |
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SilveR Member
Name : Alexey Age : 45 Location : Russia, Moscow Joined : 2007-03-06 Post Count : 60 Merit : 2
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:16 am | |
| - Jason wrote:
- If I had practically new AC-Delco's, I'd wait for them to die. The GR-2's aren't a performance strut. You might be disappointed by the marginal increase over new AC-Delco's, especially considering the money required to get them over to you.
I see, but I still think about GR-2. Probably I’ve got rejected AC-Delco or … maybe I simply carp at them because I have nothing to compare - Jason wrote:
RE: changing the temperature display from F to centigrade. You can't. Yes, I’ve already understood it … BTW, now I can recalculate from F to centigrade without calculator - daily practice | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:59 pm | |
| Hey everyone. In Rivman's post above, the image of the '98-99 lower control arm is missing. Anyone have an image for replacement? Please post below. Thanks! _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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palermocorey90 Expert
Name : Corey Age : 34 Location : Rome NY Joined : 2007-10-03 Post Count : 2968 Merit : -24
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:01 pm | |
| yea a replacement would be great | |
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ewolfe0050 Aficionado
Name : Eric Location : Indianapolis, IN Joined : 2007-07-31 Post Count : 1159 Merit : 27
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:25 pm | |
| Hey Hey... think I'm a little behind on this thread- must have been posted during my leave of absense... I run KYBGR2 struts on my 1997. I had to machine a little wash/bushing for the top nut and I used all new 1997 mounts but the '98 bumpstop. You will need to trim the poly bumpstop to fit in the 97 mounts a little on the ends. I also run the Eibach springs. Works great! | |
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ewolfe0050 Aficionado
Name : Eric Location : Indianapolis, IN Joined : 2007-07-31 Post Count : 1159 Merit : 27
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:26 pm | |
| Get the 98 KYBGR2.. you will not need different control arms or such... | |
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AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:43 pm | |
| Sorry Eric, I pulled this thread out of the grave. Corey wanted to know the difference between '95 and '98 control arms. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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palermocorey90 Expert
Name : Corey Age : 34 Location : Rome NY Joined : 2007-10-03 Post Count : 2968 Merit : -24
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:23 pm | |
| dont worry about it, im done with riviera. im not going to buy that 98 | |
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97rivsc Fanatic
Name : mike Age : 34 Location : appleton wisconsin Joined : 2008-09-28 Post Count : 437 Merit : 0
| Subject: 97 gtp strut towers Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:45 am | |
| I was wondering, are the gtp towers the same as ours? if they are I want to get my hands on agx struts. | |
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Buickman104 Enthusiast
Age : 38 Location : New York City Joined : 2007-11-29 Post Count : 156 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:25 am | |
| Nope. The Riv is a G-body the Grand Prix is a W-body wrong chasis. | |
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97rivsc Fanatic
Name : mike Age : 34 Location : appleton wisconsin Joined : 2008-09-28 Post Count : 437 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:48 pm | |
| is there anyway that i could fit agx's on my car? | |
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Buickman104 Enthusiast
Age : 38 Location : New York City Joined : 2007-11-29 Post Count : 156 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:18 pm | |
| Not without extensive modification. | |
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Jack the R Master
Joined : 2007-01-16 Post Count : 8070 Merit : 105
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:35 pm | |
| Ewolfe got KYB's to work on his 97 with a custom spacer at the top. That's as good as it gets for us unless you've got the bread to get custom struts made. But if you did you'd be driving a Corvette not a Riv. | |
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97rivsc Fanatic
Name : mike Age : 34 Location : appleton wisconsin Joined : 2008-09-28 Post Count : 437 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:06 pm | |
| no kidding, i can dream though can't i? | |
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97rivsc Fanatic
Name : mike Age : 34 Location : appleton wisconsin Joined : 2008-09-28 Post Count : 437 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: KYB front struts for ’97 ??? Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:07 pm | |
| how exactly did he do the kyb's? | |
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