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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyWed Feb 12, 2020 3:27 pm

Ed,
Sent you a PM regarding the antenna.
I finally found it.
Check your PM inbox.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyThu Feb 13, 2020 1:01 pm

That’s awesome, thanks!

First road trip with a partially assembled car was successful, 550 miles trouble free, it was a little loud minus the headliner and passenger seat it did the job nicely as I needed to transport some larger items home.
More pictures when I fix the laptop.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyMon Feb 17, 2020 11:39 am

Fuel filter got refreshed, shook then dumped to see how dirty, not too bad

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Thursday I drove 3.5 hrs to a buddy's house and took his truck and racecar for a weekend out, upon returning @ 3am Sunday I returned to this, no biggie but with this cars tree history I had to admire it for a second

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Sometimes I come home from the track with goodies, not a big deal when using my own truck, this time I was going to take advantage of the half interior (still on its way out)

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Lots of tarps and a blanket to be absolutely sure, but the trans was thoroughly drained/cleaned and wrapped with this in mind. (it was delivered to the track inside someones BMW so I was confident he did a good job)

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albertj wrote:
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As long as that rad was not full of crap (the odd walnut shell dust does not count) I would spend 0 time thinking about it.


Radiator did fine for the road trip, unfortunately water pump #2 has let go while parked a couple of days later

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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 11:13 am

Whose WP do you plan to get for replacement?
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 3:00 pm

albertj wrote:
Whose WP do you plan to get for replacement?

Have any suggestions?

Locally sourced in the $30 range, undecided, as a professional tech I have sworn off Gates Water pumps (everything else gates is fine), AC delco is china but to a decent spec, Murry was all USA, now assembled in USA with a mixed bag of parts from other country's ,GMB is a choice unexplored.

Internet shopping is scary, bought a AC Delco for my 6.0 GMC truck from amazon, box looked convincing,hologram and all, pump looked good till I found the familiar cheap china laser etched font that reminded me of the very cheapest stuff one can buy. Hope its genuine as I tow a racecar interstate.... time will tell.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 5:05 pm

98inWPB wrote:
albertj wrote:
Whose WP do you plan to get for replacement?

I have sworn off Gates Water pumps,

Guess who just put a Gates water pump on a few months ago? headbutt
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 6:05 pm

maybe this NOS Airtex, but you'll need to get it *now*.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airtex-Water-Pump-AW5075-Fits-GM-3-8L-3800cc-231-cu-in-V6-Gas-NEW-21D/151571019855

Alternatively I would get the Cardone: https://www.amazon.com/Cardone-58-531-Remanufactured-Domestic-Water/dp/B000C49PRI/

Last time I put on a WP was more than a decade ago, the dealer put on a GM OE unit, my WP was working but sounded like marbles in a can.  Parts counter guy said they run a real long time noisy.  I said I did not need the drama and order me one, put it on, and literally had forgotten about it until now.

Delco and China?  Mmmmm... might have to get over that, GM sells most of its cars in China now (makes them there too I think) - https://www.statista.com/statistics/304367/vehicle-sales-of-general-motors-by-country/.  China's local content contracts as a condition of doing business in the country pretty much guarantee that a good chunk of the spares business had to move to China.  Question is what spec will GM enforce?  The Chinese will hit or beat any spec you want to pay for, so the spec GM will get is the spec GM will pay for. Further point is that in the same way VW sells most of its vehicles outside Germany, GM sells most of its vehicles outside the US.


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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 10:23 pm

Jack the R wrote:
98inWPB wrote:
albertj wrote:
Whose WP do you plan to get for replacement?

I have sworn off Gates Water pumps,

Guess who just put a Gates water pump on a few months ago?  headbutt


You will be fine for a few years, all it will do is leak prematurely.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Feb 18, 2020 10:35 pm

albertj wrote:
maybe this NOS Airtex, but you'll need to get it *now*.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Airtex-Water-Pump-AW5075-Fits-GM-3-8L-3800cc-231-cu-in-V6-Gas-NEW-21D/151571019855

Alternatively I would get the Cardone: https://www.amazon.com/Cardone-58-531-Remanufactured-Domestic-Water/dp/B000C49PRI/

Last time I put on a WP was more than a decade ago, the dealer put on a GM OE unit, my WP was working but sounded like marbles in a can.  Parts counter guy said they run a real long time noisy.  I said I did not need the drama and order me one, put it on, and literally had forgotten about it until now.

Delco and China?  Mmmmm... might have to get over that, GM sells most of its cars in China now (makes them there too I think) - https://www.statista.com/statistics/304367/vehicle-sales-of-general-motors-by-country/.  China's local content contracts as a condition of doing business in the county pretty much guarantee that a good chunk of the spares business had to move to China.  Question is what spec will GM enforce?  The Chinese will hit or beat any spec you want to pay for, so the spec GM will get is the spec GM will pay for. Further point is that in the same way VW sells most of its vehicles outside Germany, GM sells most of its vehicles outside the US.  

A-1 Cardone has a special place with me, their rebulids do not inspire confidence but sometimes they are the only choice. Lets just say, if one of my suppliers primary line is Cardone I find another supplier:sad:

Thanks for the research, you helped solidify my decision to shop locally for a delco unit.

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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyWed Feb 19, 2020 10:37 am

Someone on a Corvette forum posted that the GM Delco OE units (from dealers, Amazon) are made in Canada, (they are likely actually Gates) and the Delco 'professional' aftermarket units are made in China.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c5-tech/3987997-need-advises-on-water-pump-and-thermostat.html

The Corvette pump is (very) different.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyWed Feb 19, 2020 8:06 pm

Not one to be caught up on analysis paralysis, past the point of my A-1 cardone and Gates bias, I pulled the trigger @ O'Reillys auto parts store like I would do for any other job, all I specified was AC Delco

This arrived, as predicated, Professional line is made in China

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Decent looking casting, nice machine surface

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Attractive but the Delco is nothing more then stickers

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Up close we have the cheap china laser printing, no matter, it will prob last long enough to forget about.

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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyWed Feb 19, 2020 11:19 pm

...cast iron impellers generally flow less and weigh more than steel ones - and supposedly quit sooner.

Here one list member argues for electric pump, others point out the iron vs steel experiences:

https://www.impalassforum.com/threads/waterpump-cast-iron-vs-steel-impeller.277685/

One voice in the wilderness actually sounds sensible:

https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=518982

My opinion -- I like the looks of the cast one but I wonder if they made the spindle oversize and heated the impeller before install (expansion) on the steel spindle or just pressed it on.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyFri Feb 21, 2020 7:40 pm

If I'm posting in the wrong spot just say so, I'm trying to keep all aspects of this revival in one place.

Never had a cooling issue so impeller design/efficiency never crossed the mind, I could see how a heavier cast impeller may shorten lifespan but can anyone recall seeing differing designs on the series II?

I saw no sign of heating to fit either end, I'm ASSuming its just pressed together.

Today:

Side by side old pump

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Almost forgot I modded (ground upon) the front bottom bolt when doing this last time to skip pulling the mount bracket

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Book calls for taking the thing all apart to clear the blower idler pulley (lower right barely in frame)

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Cleaned up ready to go back, yeah funky angle

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Another funky angle stuffing the modded bolt back in place

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Blower belt grooved idler pulley didn't feel great, not real loud but starting to throw rust dust, a trip to the parts car got something better, may have to revisit before torching the belt and being forced to pull the mount.

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2 hours, a can of brake cleaner, and a gallon of green antifreeze later (dexcool aint cool)

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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Mar 03, 2020 11:53 am

No updates past tossing the old passenger seat back in for a special night out with the wife, the typical pattern of my work randomly provides cars to drive home, attention drops off till time spare time presents.
Headliner still out, have to get the windshield pillars pulled to get wrapped but it appears the dash pad is pinning them in place, anyone have a way to get them out of there without breaking stuff or pulling the pad?
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyTue Mar 03, 2020 1:34 pm

It's *really* nice to read this thread and see updates, Ed. Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyThu Apr 09, 2020 9:54 am

Just a quick check in, I have not fallen off the planet, life has a way of getting in the way, have had many customer cars to drive lately witch means the riv has been sitting 50% of the time. The interior is still half done and now it seems my 2nd set of A/C compressor manifold hoses are cracked, first set got welded 3-4 times before giving up, looked at the engine mounts but they are solid, literally, not broken just hard.

Any ideas why this problem repeats?
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyFri Apr 10, 2020 9:51 am

98inWPB wrote:
No updates past tossing the old passenger seat back in for a special night out with the wife, the typical pattern of my work randomly provides cars to drive home, attention drops off till time spare time presents.
Headliner still out, have to get the windshield pillars pulled to get wrapped but it appears the dash pad is pinning them in place, anyone have a way to get them out of there without breaking stuff or pulling the pad?

The A pillar covers are held by plastic push pins top center and bottom. you have to pull the tops toward the center console shifter, the bottoms will pretty much stay in place. Once you get the tops loose the middle and bottom push pins are not hard to find.

It is *easier* to remove them with the dash pad out; to do that you have to remove the dash fascia to get to the screws that hold the pad down. Not difficult in the least, just time consuming, move slow so you don't bust the plastics and consider using flat washers under the screws on reassembly (again to avoid busting the plastic). See the FSM for details. Last I checked Au-Ve-Co still has the fasteners (or at least compatible replacements) if you break any.
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PostSubject: Re: Restoration Pics   Restoration Pics - Page 4 EmptyFri Apr 10, 2020 10:00 am

98inWPB wrote:
Just a quick check in, I have not fallen off the planet, life has a way of getting in the way, have had many customer cars to drive lately witch means the riv has been sitting 50% of the time. The interior is still half done and now it seems my 2nd set of A/C compressor manifold hoses are cracked, first set got welded 3-4 times before giving up, looked at the engine mounts but they are solid, literally, not broken just hard.

Any ideas why this problem repeats?

I imagine AC hoses can get embrittled over time with heating and cooling but I wonder if yours were damaged some other way. Mine are still original, maybe because I run the AC in AUTO mode all the time. Many years ago I was told by a GM R&D engineer that the system was designed and materials selected intending to be run all the time. When my kids would drive the car they'd turn it off - you would not believe the cascade of problems that ensued. Absolutely dessicated the seals.

I also was told that over time the soft parts of the hoses tend to very slowly leak refrigerant. It's best to evac and refill not just top up, but all one has to do is top the system up with plain refrigerant (NOT stop leak that's a whole other family of woe and it won't stop the hoses seeping), assuming there are not other problems.

Consider replacing those hardened engine mounts, although I am not sure if that's a big deal - thinking about it.
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