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rivwilly107 Enthusiast
Name : Jim Age : 53 Location : Groton NY Joined : 2008-06-23 Post Count : 232 Merit : 0
| Subject: Shift Points Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:13 pm | |
| from: https://rivperformance.editboard.com/series-ii-scans-tuning-pcm-f5/aeroforce-gauge-t3583.htm - Chicken wrote:
- One more thing...the aeroforce gauge lets me set "shift points" indicated by two red LED's...
I'm assuming when you launch, you guys manually shift starting in 2nd gear, then into third and forth...
if this is the case, what RPM's should I program the gauge to trigger the shift points? Intense set mine up for 6,000 from 1st to 2nd and 5,800 from second to third.I think Aaron has his at 5,700 for both 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd.Not sure about others though.Probably dependent on car mods and personal preference.I'm not sure about 3rd into 4th, I haven't been WOT all the way through 3rd yet.The Rivs stock suspension needs a VERY smooth road at that speed. | |
| | | deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:19 pm | |
| I think this engine likes lower shift points unless mechanically modified for the airflow up top. Otherwise there's no point in revving that high. Both times I've dyno measured my engine, I start above my torque peak. The HP value peak climbs up and up over the run, and the torque peak goes down and down. I have no idea what my torque peak is.
Torque wins races. pulls heavy cars. torque is everything. That's how we make our 455 '69 Special run 12s with 2.56 gears in the back... finish the 1/4 mile at the top of second gear... Torque torque torque.
Lots of people talk crap about how the S/C 3800s don't do well up top. So why make it go there? | |
| | | AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:03 am | |
| - Quote :
- I think this engine likes lower shift points unless mechanically modified for the airflow up top. Otherwise there's no point in revving that high. Both times I've dyno measured my engine, I start above my torque peak. The HP value peak climbs up and up over the run, and the torque peak goes down and down. I have no idea what my torque peak is.
Torque wins races. pulls heavy cars. torque is everything. That's how we make our 455 '69 Special run 12s with 2.56 gears in the back... finish the 1/4 mile at the top of second gear... Torque torque torque.
Lots of people talk crap about how the S/C 3800s don't do well up top. So why make it go there? There's two sides to everything; the other side of torque is RPM. If you really want to win races, you have to give RPM some attention, otherwise a guy with less torque is eventually going to hand you an ass-whippin'. Our engines do make lots of torque, but we do it at low RPM (my dyno run made 308 WTQ @ 3400 RPM (!), and possibly more at lower RPM). All that torque makes for easy burn-outs and fun street driving, but it won't win races every time. When it comes to making horsepower, RPM is a factor, as well as torque. And horsepower, not torque, is what it's all about. If two cars make the same amount of torque, but one makes the torque at a higher RPM, the higher RPM car will win the race. This is because torque and RPM multiply to create the overall ability to do work, aka HP. If you are missing one, it hurts your ability to go fast. Surprisingly, torque gets most of the credit, but RPM is also very important because it can make up for low torque numbers. The Japanese figured this out decades ago. We knew it too, but the average car buyer doesn't get it, because they can't feel it. Even an engine making less torque at a very high RPM can beat one with more torque at low RPM for the simple reason that it can use more of the gearing. Even though the big torque car pulls harder and feels faster, the higher RPM car pulls longer and wins the race. Let's face it - a stock 3800 SC V6 doesn't do well up top. That makes me want to stop building more torque down low, because doing that makes the problem worse in a way. Instead, I want to move as much of that torque higher into the RPM band as I can, so that it can be better used to make HP, which is going to help me at winning races. This is why I like the idea of flow mods like rockers and headers (and a cam). These mods help push more of the torque up top. I think there is a limit for shifting that depends on your engine's set-up. If you have a cam, and see your engine is making real power up to 6k RPM, I say shift at 6kRPM. If not, shift at the point where your engine is starting to make less HP. For me this is 5700-5800 RPM. I could shift higher, but it wouldn't make any more HP. But I wish I could. It would let me hold gears out a bit more, delaying my need to shift. This is the way to win races, imo. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
| | | dreww Junkie
Location : Dallas Joined : 2007-04-10 Post Count : 851 Merit : 9
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:47 pm | |
| - rivwilly107 wrote:
- from: https://rivperformance.editboard.com/series-ii-scans-tuning-pcm-f5/aeroforce-gauge-t3583.htm
- Chicken wrote:
- One more thing...the aeroforce gauge lets me set "shift points" indicated by two red LED's...
I'm assuming when you launch, you guys manually shift starting in 2nd gear, then into third and forth...
if this is the case, what RPM's should I program the gauge to trigger the shift points? Intense set mine up for 6,000 from 1st to 2nd and 5,800 from second to third.I think Aaron has his at 5,700 for both 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd.Not sure about others though.Probably dependent on car mods and personal preference.I'm not sure about 3rd into 4th, I haven't been WOT all the way through 3rd yet.The Rivs stock suspension needs a VERY smooth road at that speed. 6K! and you dont have any rockers or a cam? holy valve float batman! you need to tune that down. I would keep shift points stock until some headwork or a cam was done. Even a cam requires new valvesprings. my shift points are at 5900 (maybe 5800, cant remember exactly). And thats with 105lb valvesprings and 1.9rr's | |
| | | rivwilly107 Enthusiast
Name : Jim Age : 53 Location : Groton NY Joined : 2008-06-23 Post Count : 232 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:02 pm | |
| - dreww wrote:
- rivwilly107 wrote:
- from: https://rivperformance.editboard.com/series-ii-scans-tuning-pcm-f5/aeroforce-gauge-t3583.htm
- Chicken wrote:
- One more thing...the aeroforce gauge lets me set "shift points" indicated by two red LED's...
I'm assuming when you launch, you guys manually shift starting in 2nd gear, then into third and forth...
if this is the case, what RPM's should I program the gauge to trigger the shift points? Intense set mine up for 6,000 from 1st to 2nd and 5,800 from second to third.I think Aaron has his at 5,700 for both 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd.Not sure about others though.Probably dependent on car mods and personal preference.I'm not sure about 3rd into 4th, I haven't been WOT all the way through 3rd yet.The Rivs stock suspension needs a VERY smooth road at that speed. 6K! and you dont have any rockers or a cam? holy valve float batman!
you need to tune that down. I would keep shift points stock until some headwork or a cam was done. Even a cam requires new valvesprings. I told them exacly what my set up was and spoke to them before they shipped my pcm to me.It was Scott Cook who said what they set it at.I asked if that was kinda high ,he said "No not at all."That is the 99.00 PCM setting.I didn,t question the pros to where it was supposed to be set at.Todd Allen confirmed this RPM shift point also.I was referred to Intense from guys on this forum,I assume they are reputable , so I used them to program my PCM to their recommended specifications.I did feel it was a little high so I don't usually WOT that high.The web site did say something about shift points at 6000 rpm needing Rockers ,that's why I questioned them.They assured me that that is what they always set it at for my mod level. | |
| | | AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:23 pm | |
| You'll probably be okay, but I wouldn't do it personally - not much to gain that high in RPM with stock valvetrain. Valve float is possible if you had the high-ratio rockers and using stock springs, but I don't think the OEM rockers get moving that much to cause serious problem.
INTENSE is always pushing the envelope, so you have to expect hard-core advice from them. They want your car to go fast! They might tell you to switch to E85, but it's up to everyone to decide what's best for their needs. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
| | | rivwilly107 Enthusiast
Name : Jim Age : 53 Location : Groton NY Joined : 2008-06-23 Post Count : 232 Merit : 0
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:23 pm | |
| - AA wrote:
- You'll probably be okay, but I wouldn't do it personally - not much to gain that high in RPM with stock valvetrain. Valve float is possible if you had the high-ratio rockers and using stock springs, but I don't think the OEM rockers get moving that much to cause serious problem.
INTENSE is always pushing the envelope, so you have to expect hard-core advice from them. They want your car to go fast! They might tell you to switch to E85, but it's up to everyone to decide what's best for their needs. I was definitely planning on setting it lower when i get my Tuner.I had asked where you had your shift points and It makes sense to keep it in a safer range.I do plan to get rockers this fall or maybe winter. Would a high flo resonator be a worth while purchase? | |
| | | deekster_caddy Master
Name : Derek Age : 52 Location : Reading, MA Joined : 2007-01-31 Post Count : 7717 Merit : 109
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:22 am | |
| Right AA, I understand about torque and RPM equalling HP. And you reiterated my real point, which I may have understated - if you aren't making power at the high RPM, don't go there you are wasting time. Get back to where the power is.
I grew up on big, heavy cars. Torque is what it takes to get them off the line, and that means surprising quite a few 'fast' cars that I was keeping up without all the racket... I like the 3800, but the Buick 455 and Cad 500 are still my favorite engines. They don't wind out, but keep the gears low and you'll fly... | |
| | | AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:03 am | |
| Yeah, I know you understand, and likewise, I do enjoy torque (my other ride is a '70 Oldsmobile with 455 ). I didn't read it right, I guess. I thought you meant "don't go there" as if there's no point in building up top in power in the 3800 - imo, that's exactly what we need to do! Lots of people really don't think HP matters, so I just wanted to explain my position on it. We have so much torque already, I don't really want to drop my SC pulley size any more, nor go IC, until I figured out a way to pump more air. I figure exhaust is my next step, unless I decide to do a cam someday. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
| | | AA Administrator
Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:47 am | |
| A few members have asked for my shift program, so here it is (DHP). Listing tables that have been changed from stock, changes in bold:
WARNING: If you decide to use the following shift program, do so at your own risk. The values listed below have worked for me, driving my car, with mods listed in sig, for at least a year (more than 25k miles) without any problem. If you are unsure about any part of this program, contact a qualified professional for opinion. Please know what you are doing before altering any part of the tables. I am not responsible for any damages/wear & tear caused by the use/misuse of this program.
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Cruise/2nd_to_3rd:
00.00% = 26 MPH 06.25% = 26 MPH 12.50% = 32 MPH 18.75% = 35 MPH 25.00% = 38 MPH 31.25% = 43 MPH 37.50% = 46 MPH 43.75% = 48 MPH 50.00% = 51 MPH 56.25% = 58 MPH 62.50% = 61 MPH 68.75% = 71 MPH 75.00% = 73 MPH 81.25% = 73 MPH 87.50% = 74 MPH 93.75% = 74 MPH 100.0% = 74 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Cruise/3rd to 4th:
00.00% = 45 MPH 06.25% = 45 MPH 12.50% = 46 MPH 18.75% = 50 MPH 25.00% = 72 MPH 31.25% = 80 MPH 37.50% = 108 MPH 43.75% = 108 MPH 50.00% = 108 MPH 56.25% = 108 MPH 62.50% = 108 MPH 68.75% = 108 MPH 75.00% = 108 MPH 81.25% = 108 MPH 87.50% = 108 MPH 93.75% = 108 MPH 100.0% = 108 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Cruise/3rd to 2nd:
00.00% = 13 MPH 06.25% = 13 MPH 12.50% = 13 MPH 18.75% = 11 MPH 25.00% = 11 MPH 31.25% = 18 MPH 37.50% = 22 MPH 43.75% = 26 MPH 50.00% = 28 MPH 56.25% = 34 MPH 62.50% = 39 MPH 68.75% = 46 MPH 75.00% = 55 MPH 81.25% = 58 MPH 87.50% = 60 MPH 93.75% = 62 MPH 100.0% = 62 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Cruise/4th to 3rd:
00.00% = 40 MPH 06.25% = 40 MPH 12.50% = 40 MPH 18.75% = 40 MPH 25.00% = 40 MPH 31.25% = 40 MPH 37.50% = 40 MPH 43.75% = 43 MPH 50.00% = 47 MPH 56.25% = 52 MPH 62.50% = 90 MPH 68.75% = 100 MPH 75.00% = 100 MPH 81.25% = 100 MPH 87.50% = 100 MPH 93.75% = 100 MPH 100.0% = 100 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/1st to 2nd_Normal:
00.00% = 17 MPH 06.25% = 17.5 MPH 12.50% = 19 MPH 18.75% = 22 MPH 25.00% = 26.5 MPH 31.25% = 31 MPH 37.50% = 36 MPH 43.75% = 40 MPH 50.00% = 43 MPH 56.25% = 46 MPH 62.50% = 47.5 MPH 68.75% = 48 MPH 75.00% = 48 MPH 81.25% = 48 MPH 87.50% = 48 MPH 93.75% = 48 MPH 100.0% = 48 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/2nd to 3rd_Normal:
00.00% = 30 MPH 06.25% = 30.5 MPH 12.50% = 33 MPH 18.75% = 38 MPH 25.00% = 45 MPH 31.25% = 54 MPH 37.50% = 61.5 MPH 43.75% = 68 MPH 50.00% = 74 MPH 56.25% = 79.5 MPH 62.50% = 84 MPH 68.75% = 88 MPH 75.00% = 91 MPH 81.25% = 93 MPH 87.50% = 94 MPH 93.75% = 94 MPH 100.0% = 94 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/3rd to 4th_Normal:
00.00% = 52 MPH 06.25% = 52.5 MPH 12.50% = 56 MPH 18.75% = 64 MPH 25.00% = 74 MPH 31.25% = 86 MPH 37.50% = 96 MPH 43.75% = 104 MPH 50.00% = 110 MPH 56.25% = 115 MPH 62.50% = 119 MPH 68.75% = 122 MPH 75.00% = 125 MPH 81.25% = 127 MPH 87.50% = 128 MPH 93.75% = 129 MPH 100.0% = 129 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/2nd to 1st_Normal:
00.00% = 14 MPH 06.25% = 14 MPH 12.50% = 14 MPH 18.75% = 14 MPH 25.00% = 14 MPH 31.25% = 14.5 MPH 37.50% = 15 MPH 43.75% = 16 MPH 50.00% = 18 MPH 56.25% = 21 MPH 62.50% = 24 MPH 68.75% = 27 MPH 75.00% = 30 MPH 81.25% = 32 MPH 87.50% = 34 MPH 93.75% = 35 MPH 100.0% = 35 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/3rd to 2nd_Normal:
00.00% = 25 MPH 06.25% = 25 MPH 12.50% = 25.5 MPH 18.75% = 27 MPH 25.00% = 29.5 MPH 31.25% = 32.5 MPH 37.50% = 36.5 MPH 43.75% = 41 MPH 50.00% = 46 MPH 56.25% = 51 MPH 62.50% = 55 MPH 68.75% = 59 MPH 75.00% = 63 MPH 81.25% = 66 MPH 87.50% = 69 MPH 93.75% = 70 MPH 100.0% = 70 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/4th to 3rd_Normal:
00.00% = 35 MPH 06.25% = 35 MPH 12.50% = 37 MPH 18.75% = 42 MPH 25.00% = 49 MPH 31.25% = 56 MPH 37.50% = 63 MPH 43.75% = 69 MPH 50.00% = 75 MPH 56.25% = 81 MPH 62.50% = 86 MPH 68.75% = 90 MPH 75.00% = 94 MPH 81.25% = 97 MPH 87.50% = 99 MPH 93.75% = 100 MPH 100.0% = 100 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/1st to 2nd_WOT:
48 MPH (note: if this setting trips RPM limiter, use lower value)
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/2nd to 3rd_WOT:
90 MPH (note: if this setting trips RPM limiter, use lower value)
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/3rd to 4th_WOT:
126 MPH (note: if this setting trips RPM limiter, use lower value)
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/2nd to 1st_WOT:
41 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/3rd to 2nd_WOT:
88 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/4th to 3rd_WOT:
128 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/1st to 2nd_RPM:
5700 RPM
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/2nd to 3rd_RPM:
5700 RPM
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Point - Normal/3rd to 4th_RPM:
4700 RPM
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Pressure/2nd Base:
Step 00 = 2 PSI Step 01 = 2 PSI Step 02 = 2 PSI Step 03 = 2 PSI Step 04 = 5 PSI Step 05 = 7 PSI Step 06 = 11 PSI Step 07 = 17 PSI Step 08 = 20 PSI Step 09 = 22 PSI Step 10 = 25 PSI Step 11 = 28 PSI Step 12 = 32 PSI Step 13 = 36 PSI Step 14 = 40 PSI Step 15 = 43 PSI Step 16 = 45 PSI Step 17 = 47 PSI Step 18= 49.5 PSI Step 19 = 53 PSI Step 20 = 57 PSI Step 21 = 60.75 PSI Step 22 = 64.75 PSI Step 23 = 69 PSI Step 24 = 73.25 PSI Step 25 = 77.5 PSI Step 26 = 82 PSI Step 27 = 86.75 PSI Step 28 = 91.5 PSI Step 29 = 96 PSI Step 30 = 96 PSI Step 31 = 96 PSI Step 32 = 96 PSI
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Pressure/3rd Base:
Step 00 = 2 PSI Step 01 = 2 PSI Step 02 = 2 PSI Step 03 = 2 PSI Step 04 = 2 PSI Step 05 = 5 PSI Step 06 = 7 PSI Step 07 = 11 PSI Step 08 = 17 PSI Step 09 = 20 PSI Step 10 = 22 PSI Step 11 = 25 PSI Step 12 = 28 PSI Step 13 = 32 PSI Step 14 = 36 PSI Step 15 = 40 PSI Step 16 = 43 PSI Step 17 = 45 PSI Step 18 = 47 PSI Step 19= 49.5 PSI Step 20 = 53 PSI Step 21 = 57 PSI Step 22 = 60.75 PSI Step 23 = 64.75 PSI Step 24 = 69 PSI Step 25 = 73.25 PSI Step 26 = 77.5 PSI Step 27 = 82 PSI Step 28 = 86.75 PSI Step 29 = 91.5 PSI Step 30 = 96 PSI Step 31 = 96 PSI Step 32 = 96 PSI
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Pressure/4th Base:
Step 00 = 2 PSI Step 01 = 2 PSI Step 02 = 2 PSI Step 03 = 2 PSI Step 04 = 2 PSI Step 05 = 2 PSI Step 06 = 2 PSI Step 07 = 5 PSI Step 08 = 7 PSI Step 09 = 11 PSI Step 10 = 17 PSI Step 11 = 20 PSI Step 12 = 22 PSI Step 13 = 25 PSI Step 14 = 28 PSI Step 15 = 32 PSI Step 16 = 36 PSI Step 17 = 40 PSI Step 18 = 43 PSI Step 19= 45 PSI Step 20 = 47 PSI Step 21 = 49.5 PSI Step 22 = 53 PSI Step 23 = 57 PSI Step 24 = 60.75 PSI Step 25 = 64.75 PSI Step 26 = 69 PSI Step 27 = 73.25 PSI Step 28 = 77.5 PSI Step 29 = 82 PSI Step 30 = 86.75 PSI Step 31 = 91.5 PSI Step 32 = 96 PSI
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Time/1st to 2nd_Normal:
Step 00 = 0.01 Sec Step 02 = 0.01 Sec Step 04 = 0.01 Sec Step 06 = 0.01 Sec Step 08 = 0.01 Sec Step 10 = 0.01 Sec Step 12 = 0.01 Sec Step 14 = 0.01 Sec Step 16 = 0.01 Sec Step 18 = 0.01 Sec Step 20 = 0.01 Sec Step 22 = 0.01 Sec Step 24 = 0.01 Sec Step 26 = 0.01 Sec Step 28 = 0.01 Sec Step 30 = 0.01 Sec Step 32 = 0.01 Sec
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Time/2nd to 3rd_Normal:
Step 00 = 0.01 Sec Step 02 = 0.01 Sec Step 04 = 0.01 Sec Step 06 = 0.01 Sec Step 08 = 0.01 Sec Step 10 = 0.01 Sec Step 12 = 0.01 Sec Step 14 = 0.01 Sec Step 16 = 0.01 Sec Step 18 = 0.01 Sec Step 20 = 0.01 Sec Step 22 = 0.01 Sec Step 24 = 0.01 Sec Step 26 = 0.01 Sec Step 28 = 0.01 Sec Step 30 = 0.01 Sec Step 32 = 0.01 Sec
Calibration Data/Transmission/Shift Time/3rd to 4th_Normal:
Step 00 = 0.01 Sec Step 02 = 0.01 Sec Step 04 = 0.01 Sec Step 06 = 0.01 Sec Step 08 = 0.01 Sec Step 10 = 0.01 Sec Step 12 = 0.01 Sec Step 14 = 0.01 Sec Step 16 = 0.01 Sec Step 18 = 0.01 Sec Step 20 = 0.01 Sec Step 22 = 0.01 Sec Step 24 = 0.01 Sec Step 26 = 0.01 Sec Step 28 = 0.01 Sec Step 30 = 0.01 Sec Step 32 = 0.01 Sec
Calibration Data/Transmission/TCC/Apply 3rd_Normal:
00.00% = 32 MPH 06.25% = 32.5 MPH 12.50% = 35 MPH 18.75% = 41 MPH 25.00% = 58 MPH 31.25% = 255 MPH 37.50% = 255 MPH 43.75% = 255 MPH 50.00% = 255 MPH 56.25% = 255 MPH 62.50% = 255 MPH 68.75% = 255 MPH 75.00% = 255 MPH 81.25% = 255 MPH 87.50% = 255 MPH 93.75% = 255 MPH 100.0% = 255 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/TCC/Apply 4th_Normal:
00.00% = 55 MPH 06.25% = 55.5 MPH 12.50% = 59 MPH 18.75% = 67 MPH 25.00% = 79 MPH 31.25% = 105 MPH 37.50% = 255 MPH 43.75% = 255 MPH 50.00% = 255 MPH 56.25% = 255 MPH 62.50% = 255 MPH 68.75% = 255 MPH 75.00% = 255 MPH 81.25% = 255 MPH 87.50% = 255 MPH 93.75% = 255 MPH 100.0% = 255 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/TCC/Release 3rd_Normal:
00.00% = 26 MPH 06.25% = 27 MPH 12.50% = 30 MPH 18.75% = 35.5 MPH 25.00% = 44 MPH 31.25% = 58 MPH 37.50% = 76 MPH 43.75% = 95 MPH 50.00% = 116 MPH 56.25% = 139 MPH 62.50% = 254 MPH 68.75% = 254 MPH 75.00% = 254 MPH 81.25% = 254 MPH 87.50% = 254 MPH 93.75% = 254 MPH 100.0% = 254 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/TCC/Release 4th_Normal:
00.00% = 39 MPH 06.25% = 43 MPH 12.50% = 51 MPH 18.75% = 62 MPH 25.00% = 74 MPH 31.25% = 88 MPH 37.50% = 104 MPH 43.75% = 122 MPH 50.00% = 142 MPH 56.25% = 164 MPH 62.50% = 188 MPH 68.75% = 255 MPH 75.00% = 255 MPH 81.25% = 255 MPH 87.50% = 255 MPH 93.75% = 255 MPH 100.0% = 255 MPH
Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/2nd to 1st_Downshift:
Step 00 = 0% Step 02 = 0% Step 04 = 2% Step 06 = 5% Step 08 = 5% Step 10 = 5% Step 12 = 5% Step 14 = 5% Step 16 = 5% Step 18 = 5% Step 20 = 5% Step 22 = 5% Step 24 = 5% Step 26 = 5% Step 28 = 5% Step 30 = 5% Step 32 = 5%
Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/3rd to 2nd_Downshift:
Step 00 = 0% Step 02 = 0% Step 04 = 2% Step 06 = 5% Step 08 = 5% Step 10 = 5% Step 12 = 5% Step 14 = 5% Step 16 = 5% Step 18 = 5% Step 20 = 5% Step 22 = 5% Step 24 = 5% Step 26 = 5% Step 28 = 5% Step 30 = 5% Step 32 = 5%
Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/4th to 3rd_Downshift:
Step 00 = 0% Step 02 = 0% Step 04 = 2% Step 06 = 5% Step 08 = 5% Step 10 = 5% Step 12 = 5% Step 14 = 5% Step 16 = 5% Step 18 = 5% Step 20 = 5% Step 22 = 5% Step 24 = 5% Step 26 = 5% Step 28 = 5% Step 30 = 5% Step 32 = 5%
Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/1st to 2nd_Upshift:
Step 00 = 0% Step 02 = 0% Step 04 = 0% Step 06 = 0% Step 08 = 9.9% Step 10 = 12% Step 12 = 10.5% Step 14 = 10.2% Step 16 = 8.5% Step 18 = 7.6% Step 20 = 5.7% Step 22 = 5% Step 24 = 5% Step 26 = 5% Step 28 = 5% Step 30 = 5% Step 32 = 5%
Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/2nd to 3rd_Upshift:
Step 00 = 0% Step 02 = 0% Step 04 = 0% Step 06 = 0% Step 08 = 13.5% Step 10 = 12% Step 12 = 10.5% Step 14 = 15% Step 16 = 15% Step 18 = 15% Step 20 = 15% Step 22 = 15% Step 24 = 15% Step 26 = 15% Step 28 = 15% Step 30 = 15% Step 32 = 15%
Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/3rd to 4th_Upshift:
Step 00 = 0% Step 02 = 0% Step 04 = 3.6% Step 06 = 4.8% Step 08 = 4.2% Step 10 = 3.6% Step 12 = 4.5% Step 14 = 15% Step 16 = 15% Step 18 = 15% Step 20 = 15% Step 22 = 15% Step 24 = 15% Step 26 = 15% Step 28 = 15% Step 30 = 15% Step 32 = 15%
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Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:56 am | |
| Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/Max Turbine Tq_Unlocked:
Gear 1
RPM 0000 = 1279 RPM 0400 = 1279 RPM 0800 = 1279 RPM 1200 = 1279 RPM 1600 = 1279 RPM 2000 = 1279 RPM 2400 = 1279 RPM 2800 = 1279 RPM 3200 = 1279 RPM 3600 = 1279 RPM 4000 = 1279 RPM 4400 = 1279 RPM 4800 = 1279 RPM 5200 = 1279 RPM 5600 = 1279 RPM 6000 = 1279 RPM 6400 = 1279
Gear 2
RPM 0000 = 384 RPM 0400 = 384 RPM 0800 = 384 RPM 1200 = 384 RPM 1600 = 1279 RPM 2000 = 1279 RPM 2400 = 1279 RPM 2800 = 1279 RPM 3200 = 1279 RPM 3600 = 1279 RPM 4000 = 1279 RPM 4400 = 1279 RPM 4800 = 1279 RPM 5200 = 1279 RPM 5600 = 1279 RPM 6000 = 1279 RPM 6400 = 1279
Gear 3
RPM 0000 = 384 RPM 0400 = 384 RPM 0800 = 384 RPM 1200 = 384 RPM 1600 = 1279 RPM 2000 = 1279 RPM 2400 = 1279 RPM 2800 = 1279 RPM 3200 = 1279 RPM 3600 = 1279 RPM 4000 = 1279 RPM 4400 = 1279 RPM 4800 = 1279 RPM 5200 = 1279 RPM 5600 = 1279 RPM 6000 = 1279 RPM 6400 = 1279
Gear 4
RPM 0000 = 384 RPM 0400 = 384 RPM 0800 = 384 RPM 1200 = 384 RPM 1600 = 1279 RPM 2000 = 1279 RPM 2400 = 1279 RPM 2800 = 1279 RPM 3200 = 1279 RPM 3600 = 1279 RPM 4000 = 1279 RPM 4400 = 1279 RPM 4800 = 1279 RPM 5200 = 1279 RPM 5600 = 1279 RPM 6000 = 1279 RPM 6400 = 1279
Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/Brake Torque Limit:
Gear 1 = 400 ft/lb Gear 2 = 450 ft/lb Gear 3 = 500 ft/lb Gear 4 = 500 ft/lb
Calibration Data/Transmission/Torque Mgmt/Max Engine Tq_Upshift:
Gear 1
RPM 2800 = 516 RPM 3200 = 440 RPM 3600 = 368.01 RPM 4000 = 284 RPM 4400 = 200 RPM 4800 = 144 RPM 5200 = 144 RPM 5600 = 120 RPM 6000 = 91.99 RPM 6400 = 91.99 RPM 6800 = 91.99 RPM 7200 = 91.99
The above program will do the following:
• Decrease shift times across the RPM range • Increase shift firmness gradually as engine load increases • Downshift with less throttle application across the RPM range • Upshift at higher RPMs for all throttle positions and vehicle speeds • Keep RPM higher at slow vehicle speed (ex: throttle out of turn) • Allow longer shifts at WOT (raised RPM points) • More easily exit TCC lock-up at speed (better passing acceleration) • Less easily enter TCC lock-up at speed • Allow use of 4th (no TCC lock) gear more often • Improved cruise control TCC settings for low RPM operation (fuel economy +) • Decrease the need to manually shift (1, 2, 3 lock-out)
If anyone uses my program, please provide feedback. I've worked on getting it right for a long time. It's not quite perfect, but it is close to ideal for me. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks! Hope you enjoy. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Name : Matthew Age : 38 Location : Florida Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4394 Merit : 101
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:47 am | |
| Aaron, thanks for posting your trans settings. i uploaded some of them to my riv last night and wow it's a different car! I can not change the pressure settings on the 96 nor do i have a cruse shift option, but everything else i messed with. I did have to back down the shift rpm b/c i was seeing it shift at 52mph/5880rpm which was a little too high for my taste with stock springs. Also, and maybe this is just b/c i dont have the cruse settings, but i had to adjust the 3-4 shift mph b/c i was not getting it to lock up and go into OD while cruising at 50mph like before. my trans temps kept climbing and rpms were at 2500 at 50mph so i had to lower the shift point there. Other than that i really like how long it holds 1st gear and the change in responsiveness downshifting at low TPS. Thanks again! Matthew _________________ 1996 with 254k miles, L32 4" FWI -> ported N* -> Ported Gen V w/3.0" Pulley, Stage 3 Phenolic I/C, ZZP FMHE, 1.84 RR, Headers and 3" pipe to mufflers, F-body brakes, and lowered on Eibachs. -RIP AMG C400 White on black. Stage 2 w/E30 - 11.9@117 -daily | |
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| Subject: Re: Shift Points Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:33 pm | |
| I need to get some of those parameters / changes done to my PCM. Specifically being able to downshift with a smaller percentage of throttle movement. I have already had the 3rd gear TCC lock up disabled and for my style of driving and the country road speeds that I encounter daily, it's great. Turned out to be a very good change for me and where I spend most of my driving time except when on the highway, naturally. My local driving is between 25 and 45 mph and 3rd gear TCC lockup was a real drag on the engine. Not anymore, and my gas mileage hasn't dropped, if anything i seem to have picked up 1-2 mpg's on average since the last changes, which were all trans related, I believe. Next time I ask Derek to do some tuning for me I'd like to incorporate more of your tables.
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Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:39 pm | |
| Glad you like it! It's not perfect, but I've learned to enjoy it. I'm glad someone else has given it a try, as I put a lot of testing into the program.
The TCC settings are intended to prevent lock-up when driving with the pedal, but of you initiate cruise control, and use the cruise settings listed, you will be able to lock-up 4th gear with TC at 46 MPH at ~1100 RPM... a hyper-miler's wet dream!
You may try reloading the TCC parameters and see if you can get it to work with the stock settings and cruise control active. I prefer to have the choice between performance and economy driving, controlled by the cruise control button.
My favorite part is the ease in downshifting. At lower speeds, the stock program will almost never drop into 1st gear out of corners, so you find yourself bogging a little. Thankfully we have lots of torque down low. But at 10-15 MPH at very sharp corners, I like to be able to drop into 1st and ferociously power out of the turn. Same with higher speed turns in 2nd gear.
The reason I did this - I have nearly lost control in the past, during hard turns when a downshift occurred, because it takes so much throttle % and the shift is so abrupt! With earlier downshifts, the shifting is much smoother, plus you get to use the upper RPM band (more power), and the later upshift values means you can stay in the band until you let off the accelerator. This is great for autocross or track racing, and even on the street, imo. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Name : Rick Location : Lancaster, MA Joined : 2008-09-13 Post Count : 6282 Merit : 119
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:49 pm | |
| - AA wrote:
My favorite part is the ease in downshifting. At lower speeds, the stock program will almost never drop into 1st gear out of corners, so you find yourself bogging a little. Thankfully we have lots of torque down low. But at 10-15 MPH at very sharp corners, I like to be able to drop into 1st and ferociously power out of the turn. Same with higher speed turns in 2nd gear.
The reason I did this - I have nearly lost control in the past, during hard turns when a downshift occurred, because it takes so much throttle % and the shift is so abrupt! With earlier downshifts, the shifting is much smoother, plus you get to use the upper RPM band (more power), and the later upshift values means you can stay in the band until you let off the accelerator. This is great for autocross or track racing, and even on the street, imo. The above is exactly what i want for the street as I experience the same "problems" with the stock settings and find myself below the power band when trying to accelerate at lower speeds and have to apply a lot of throttle to get it to respond which then gives you too much of an abrupt change. This especially annoying while in a turn or trying to merge from a short on ramp up to highway speeds. Just not in the power band until that downshift takes place and in my opinion it should happen sooner with less throttle and i also think it would be less harsh for the Transmission itself. Want it to be more linear in performance during acceleration, If you know what i mean. And again I also think it will be more efficient on gasoline consumption. I know what i want, but not having used the software yet i can't always speak the correct language. I think before I invest in the rest of the parts needed to do the GEN V swap I'm going to buy tuning software so I can get up to speed on the correct language as well as get through the learning curve of tuning as soon as possible. | |
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Name : Dave Age : 64 Location : In The AZ Oven Joined : 2007-01-17 Post Count : 4502 Merit : 44
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:24 pm | |
| I've been running Aaron's settings, slightly modified(?), for a couple years now. Couldn't be happier. It's like a totally different car than when I bought it. | |
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Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:24 pm | |
| Thanks, AA I replicated most of the transmission settings as in your bin. I kept my modified shift pressure tables that I sort of barrowed from another tune which look a bit more extreme on the table that what you have, and torque reduction for shifts as well because it looks like you reduced your torque reduction a good bit. The idea of that seems... abusive. What are you thoughts there? I do like the shift speeds so far. I haven't really messed with my TCC or part throttle shift speeds at all so this is pretty neat. I definitely love the downshift settings! | |
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Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:15 pm | |
| Loosing TM = abusive? Sure it is. Pushing the throttle hard? Same, it's all a relative thing. Here is how I like think of torque management (TM): 1) When you mod the car, you want to make more power. 2) When you tune the shifting program, you want to make shifts A) quicker, and B) firmer. 3) TM basically limits power (cuts timing), and makes shifts A)slower (delays shift time), and B) softer (lowers shift pressure). So we must ask the question: why modify for power and better shifting behavior if TM is going to sit in the way and keep us from getting the desired results? One option is to leave TM alone, totally stock. You'll find that it's harder to get fast, firm shifts, even if you lesson shift times and max out the shift pressures, especially at WOT. You'll also notice there is significant power loss right after an upshift or downshift. Eventually if comes, but waiting on power delivery can be annoying. Another option is to remove TM entirely, using only shift time and pressure settings to tune the behavior of the trans. If you aren't careful, you can get some real jolts during shifting, and the hard parts may fail over time. However, the clutches won't wear as much, as there is a lot less slip. What I did is study what was done to the DHP 1.5 BIN with regard to TM, both for perf shift and normal modes. I also studied the stock program for TM in perf shift and normal modes. I tested both to feel the differences. Then I took the parts I liked from both and put together a program that works with both my daily driving style and track needs. Basically, I set my shifts to become more and more aggressive as throttle increases. At low speeds and easy throttle, the settings are much like the stock program, but a little firmer. As throttle increases, I programmed the shifts to become quicker and firmer, until at WOT where it's all about power delivery (as it should be). What I found is at some point the program wasn't giving the results I wanted (shifts weren't aggressive enough), so I tried decreasing TM, and bingo - I saw the results. In the end, I decreased TM only enough get the performance I wanted. It's possible to get a lot of power delivered during a shift, chirping tires, etc. But I didn't take it that far. I only wanted the transmission to shift in a way that didn't feel like it was holding back the engine's ability to deliver power. I am very happy with the results so far. There is still some TM doing its thing, just not as much, and I kept a lot more TM in the area used for normal driving; where TM is most lowered is for WOT. - Quote :
- I haven't really messed with my TCC or part throttle shift speeds at all so this is pretty neat. I definitely love the downshift settings!
I really can't support using part of the program, or combining it with another guy's program. My advice is installing all of the values exactly as listed, then if you want more TM, adjust the values back to the direction of stock. It helped me to use MS Excel to graph the curves for a better visual understanding of what's going on. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Name : Mark Age : 59 Location : West Salem, Oregon... FINALLY Joined : 2009-04-09 Post Count : 3174 Merit : 104
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:50 pm | |
| Aaron, I think you just answered a question I've had for a little while... Just to be clear: The "torque management" is not just literally cutting the torque from the engine with timing/boost/fuel/whatever? It also affects the speed & firmness of the shifts in the tranny, which are already adjusted via their own settings? Oy vey - Sounds like a Pandora's box! No wonder you said in Derek's thread that there are a thousand parameters that can be tuned... | |
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Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:40 am | |
| I don't think anyone really knows exactly how TM does what it does, but many believe it does whatever it wants to by varying timing, shift times, and trans fluid pressures. I do know this: when TM was lowered, I saw quicker and firmer shifts, without touching either of those values. Similarly, I didn't get as quickness and firmness without lowering TM. Just my experience. I know just enough to be dangerous. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Name : Mark Age : 59 Location : West Salem, Oregon... FINALLY Joined : 2009-04-09 Post Count : 3174 Merit : 104
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:55 am | |
| - AA wrote:
- I know just enough to be dangerous.
Don't we all? | |
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Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:04 pm | |
| AA, did you change anything on the tune after you had your rebuild and shift kit removed? I forgot that I have a shift kit installed. Does that change anything? | |
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Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:07 pm | |
| Mine is tuned for having no shift kit (OEM). Yours will be more firm, so you can increase the torque management to suit your preference. It will take a couple tries to dial it in. Take some notes! _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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Name : Codith Age : 37 Location : Villa Park, IL Joined : 2007-02-08 Post Count : 3671 Merit : 140
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:01 pm | |
| I applied your pressure table and the torque reduction settings. With that change, I'd actually say the low throttle shifting is more tame than with those two tables as they were on my tune. A little less torque reduction with a little less line pressure. Although after looking more, your reduction is not grossely far from stock at low throttle which makes sense. We want to firm it up when we want the speed.
Really the only table that I didn't change to your setting yet and mostly because I don't understand it fully is the "Force Motor Current" positive and negative tables because I had a gut feeling that mine and yours aren't the same stock. Did you change that on your tune, AA? I've looked at many 3800 tunes and those are always a little different stock, it seems. | |
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Name : Aaron Age : 47 Location : C-bus, Ohio Joined : 2007-01-13 Post Count : 18452 Merit : 252
| Subject: Re: Shift Points Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:20 pm | |
| I don't know what the "Force Motor Current" tables are. I don't see it listed in the tables I posted on the previous page. Whatever they are, If they're different than stock, it was part of the DHP 1.5 BIN. _________________ '05 GTO 6.0L • 6-spd • 95k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26'95 Celica GT 2.2L • 5-spd • 165k miles • 0-60: yes'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30 3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch^^^ SOLD ^^^ '70 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe 455cid • 116k miles^^^ SOLD ^^^ | |
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