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PostSubject: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 11:20 am

i was drivin this am...
car worked fine..
comin home it went to 40mph and just REEEVVEEDDDDDD
after i got to a side street i opened the hood and listneded..kinda clickin noise in/around the engine.
closed the hood...car ran perfect...
went to drive it again an hour later..started off fine..then got to 35mph and started to rev...i got to a red light....total revv like in neutral except in i tried 1-2-3 and OD. just revveeddd..im havin it towed to a dealer today...and they probably wont look at it till monday. frown


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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 11:24 am

Sorry to hear... Did you at least check the trans fluid level?
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 11:26 am

Yeah i was thinking it could be low on trans fluid as well.... Usually unless you launch hard , these transmissions don;t just give out without warning , not that it doesn't happen , but its usually not just an all of the sudden thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 11:40 am

Almost identical to how mine failed at 151k miles. If it has failed, sorry to hear about it, Scotty. They're about $1500-$2000 to replace. I Aamco $2100 for mine, since have put 30k miles on it. Link:

https://rivperformance.editboard.com/series-ii-engine-transmission-f4/diary-of-a-dying-transmission-t1594-15.htm

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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 11:47 am

i checked fluid levels....full.....
i have this thing called guardian....
its a warranty that will cover the tranny.
at 61000 miles..how the hell did my tranny blow already??
i swear i have some of the worst luck with cars.
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Well, at least you have an extended warranty that will probably cover most of the cost.
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it should cover all except 100 deductible...
the riv is on her way to the dealer.
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 12:29 pm

Did you notice if the fluid was dark or smelled burnt? This can tell you if heat caused the failure.

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3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

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Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 12:41 pm

i couldnt tell u cuz i dont know what it smelled like originally. what would it matter if heat caused it? like would it happen again?
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It's always good to know what happened, so you can look for warning signs in the future, and maybe prevent it from happening again. I can't recommend anything specific without knowing more. Keep us posted!

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3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


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xxsupergman25xx wrote:
how the hell did my tranny blow already??

280 ft/lbs torque stock. Did you think you were driving a Civic lmao
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Jack the R wrote:
xxsupergman25xx wrote:
how the hell did my tranny blow already??

280 ft/lbs torque stock. Did you think you were driving a Civic lmao

lol ive never even been in a civic to compare it to lol
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 2:46 pm

ok...just got off the phone with the dealership...he said the transmission fluid was very badly burned.
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xxsupergman25xx wrote:
Jack the R wrote:
xxsupergman25xx wrote:
how the hell did my tranny blow already??

280 ft/lbs torque stock. Did you think you were driving a Civic lmao

lol ive never even been in a civic to compare it to lol

Well you may have an idea now - throttle down, engine revving, why ain't I going anywhere?

So all you need is a tranny fluid change?
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 3:46 pm

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So all you need is a tranny fluid change?
Pray for it, but he mentioned a "clickin noise in/around the engine", which could be broken sprag teeth or something else coming apart. Need to check the pan magnet.

Idea: if the TCC solenoid got stuck and TC wasn't locking up, that drive from PA to FL probably cooked the fluid. Over the next few weeks, the problem could have escalated to physical damage. In my case, the heat literally turn my TC blue.

Any TCC-related codes?

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3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 6:30 pm

i dont even know what the tcc is? i dont have the car..its at the dealer. im waiting on a call back from the warranty company. i may have to have the car taken to another shop. the dealer is 115 an hour for labor and they only cover 75-80 an hour.
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyFri May 08, 2009 7:27 pm

TC is torque converter, TCC is TC clutch. When you drive stop and go, the TC is a fluid coupling, meaning the engine drives the transmission by spinning two fans (turbine & pump) inside a pool of transmission fluid. At very low RPMs, the fluid allows the two fans to "slip", but as you increase RPM, force from the turbine transfers to the trans fluid, and then to the pump, which causes the output shafts to turn the wheels.

In short, the engine doesn't drive the transmission. The engine drives fluid in the TC, which then drives the transmission. This is why you can stop the car and stay in gear - because the fluid allows some slip. With a manual transmission, there is no fluid or slip, so you stall.

This is how it looks inside:

Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 Torque-cutaway

The two fans don't actually touch each other, they spin in the trans fluid. The fluid has special properties that allow it to transfer power from the engine to your transmission, and out to the wheels. Whenever you idle, drive stop-and-go, under about 50 mph, or accelerate hard, the TC is in fluid coupling mode. Whenever you do this kind of driving, the trans fluid heats up, and so does the TC and the rest of the transmission.

Once you get up to cruising speed, above 50 mph or so, a solenoid trips the TCC and engages TC lock-up. This is an electromagnet that makes a mechanical coupling from the engine to the output shafts. In a sense, the two fans lock together, so the fluid is no longer used to transfer power. Instead, there is now a hard connection that lets the fluid take a break and cool off.

As long as you stay above a certain speed, and don't accelerate too hard, the transmission will remain in TC lock-up mode to keep fuel economy and let the transmission operate at a safe temperature.

IF the TCC fails to lock up, the transmission works in fluid coupling mode all the time, killing fuel economy and causing trans temps to rise. You can get away with it for trips under 50 miles, but for very long hauls, you can cook your trans without TCC.

It sounds like this is what happened, but the PCM is supposed to turn in the SES light when TCC fails, to let you know. Did the service engine light ever come on?

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'98 SC Riviera • 281k miles • 298 HP/370 TQ • 0-60: 5.79s • ET: 13.97 @ 99.28 • 4087 lb • 20.1 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:30
3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
Because cool


'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
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very informative..no lights came on...
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PostSubject: Re: Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13   Scottys Riv Problem Thread update 8/13 EmptyTue May 12, 2009 9:44 pm

Ok..so i talked to the guy who diagnosed my car yesterday..
first off...the idiots actually took it on the road after i told them it was undriveable. lol hence why it wqas towed to a dealership and towed to another one lol
but anyway..the guy said what was happening was the tranny fluid was heatin up causing to shut it down and damage a couple of internal parts. repair is underway and should be done before this weekend.
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any idea why the tranny fluid was getting so hot?

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just the age of the car he said. sumthin mustve just set it off on that friday morning and it went downhill from there.
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"The age of the car" = I am totally unqualified for my job.
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The age of the car? Your transmission fluid only had ~60k miles, right? The fluid should last 2-3 times that long, and it doesn't just spontaneously fail like that. I agree with Jack, this guy can do better than that. Something caused that fluid to cook.

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3.4" pulley • AL104 plugs • 180º t-stat • FWI w/K&N • 1.9:1 rockers • OR pushrods • LS6 valve springs • SLP headers • ZZP fuel rails
KYB GR2 struts • MaxAir shocks • Addco sway bars • UMI bushings • GM STB • Enkei 18" EV5s w/ Dunlop DZ101s • F-body calipers
EBC bluestuff/Hawk HP plus • SS lines • Brembo slotted discs • DHP tuned • Aeroforce • Hidden Hitch

^^^ SOLD ^^^ frown

'05 GTO • 85k miles • 0-60: 4.8s • 16.9 avg MPG • Nelson Ledges Lap: 1:26
Because fun


'70 Olds Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe • 116k miles • 455 Rocket V8
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'95 Celica • 152k miles • 0-60: yes
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well..i got my car back....very smooth shifting now..then only thing im very disapointed with is the cars alignment is off by a lot now. im waiting to here back on how the hell this can happen.....and for some reason...the car seems a little slower.
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Alignment can be off because of how the cradle supporting the trans / engine is bolted in. A GM tech friend of mine used to have to move the cradle around on certain cars when they couldn't get the alignment correct by normal front end adjustment.
So, the same thing can happen when the cradle has been removed and reinstalled for trans overhaul.
Need to have trans shop pay for proper alignment and make alignment tech aware that the cradle needs repositioning.


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